Cocteau Twins : Classic or Dud

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Give 'em a couple more years when they need to pay their mortgages, they'll come around.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 24 July 2009 14:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually Guthrie's reaction. He always came across as socially retarded.

Turangalila, Friday, 24 July 2009 14:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

A story on Ms. Fraser in the Guardian the other day:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/26/cocteau-twins-elizabeth-fraser-interview

And we do all grow older:

Looks v. elegant!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

The hell.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

The new song sadly sounds too much like Gotan Project but her voice is still awesome.

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

Which is all you need, really. (Well, maybe.)

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores, as apparently both Howard Shore and Fran Welsh were major Cocteaus fans, and she's specifically namechecked by both of them in the DVD documentaries, etc. etc.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 28 November 2009 18:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

And of course this was beautiful

Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

sleeve, Saturday, 28 November 2009 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

She's been offered sums "beyond your wildest dreams" to collaborate with other artists – "the weirdest one was Linkin Park"

LOL just saw this.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 21:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'll take any excuse to repost this:

The...hell.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 22:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Article's a little wrong at points when it comes to her musical silence -- for instance, she appeared (briefly) on the first two Lord of the Rings film scores

Yeah I noticed that error too, his claim she "only" did the Massive Attack album. Crap! She also worked with FSOL, Yann Tiersen, and Peter Gabriel (her work on the Millenium Dome album is lovely).

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Is her single available somewhere online, the RT website or something?

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh and she did that gorgeous song with the Bathers!

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha that Cocteau Madness video is amazing.

Reading back through the thread it seems like "not liking Cocteau Twins" was the mid 80s/early 90s equivalent of "not liking Radiohead".

Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Actually maybe it still is.

Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Really? I rarely come across people who vehemently dislike them or think theyre not cool to like. I do come across peopel whove not heard them though, or are indifferent.

hulk would smash (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

I dunno. With advent of the internets and it being so easy to be a music "expert" they're arguably more popular than ever, with which comes the inevitable backlash viz "They're so unanimously liked that I intensify what would otherwise be indifference to their music" &c.

Daruton, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

That clip up is so o_0 in ways I can't actually articulate. It's almost like a parallel universe or something.

Lostandfound, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 23:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

some things are better not explained it seems

iPrincess 2.0 (electricsound), Monday, 19 July 2010 00:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

This isnt stuff I didnt already know (the stuff about random dictionary words and whatnot). She's said that heaps of times.

Gumbercules (Trayce), Monday, 19 July 2010 01:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

OOh she's never actually read'em out before though! haha! That was amusing.

I did know that a few songs were like, lists of scientific insect names and stuff.

Gumbercules (Trayce), Monday, 19 July 2010 01:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

so I just found out that "Memory Gongs" off Moon and the Melodies is a Harold Budd track called "Flowered Knife Shadows (for Simon Raymonde)" with a couple of gongs dubbed over the beginning?

Pauls to the Wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 March 2011 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is it? I should track that down and compare em. I was just listening to M&tM yesteday funnily enough.

gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Pauls to the Wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wow its exactly the damn same.

gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's from a Budd album of the same year I think so fair enough but the 2 different titles is an oddity. As I said, "Memory Gongs" has gongs and that's the diff.

Pauls to the Wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah it was "Lovely Thunder", right?

gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Monday, 7 March 2011 22:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

k so this is one of those things where i bought 'heaven & las vegas' on cassette in like 1993 and really dug it but for never reason never sought out another album. now, many years later, i feel like it's time for a second cocteaus album. what shall it be?

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Victorialand. Don't bother with the goth shit or the last couple.

red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Victorialand or Blue Bell Knoll

Valéry Giscard d'Staind (NickB), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd say "whichever one you see first".

I've recently come to the conclusion that they're probably one my top three bands of all time.

Mary Steamvirgin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

cocteau twins, smash mouth, sugar ray

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Swap out Sugar Ray (fourth) with Crazy Town and you pegged it.

Mary Steamvirgin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

s1ocki: get Milk and Kisses, Garlands and Victorialand; IMO those three along with Heaven & Las Vegas are the essential Cocteau albums

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Treasure and Heaven Or Las Vegas are my favourite, by far.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

I really thought Treasure was the acknowledged masterpiece?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Victorialand is my fave album, along with Head Over Heels. Lots of their EP's are essential though, especially Love's Easy Tears and Aikea-Guinea.

LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Am gonna post this on the rolling Bandcamp/free albums thread, but this band Ahsrae Fax put out a pretty great Cocteaus-ish record in 2002 called "Static Crash". They were a little ahead/out of their time, and seemed to play with a lot of noise bands, but they were great live and super nice folks. Can't recommend this record enough, good female vox, synths, textured guitars etc.:

http://ashraefax.bandcamp.com/album/static-crash

grandavis, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah treasure WTF, if you only have two get treasure and heaven or las vegas.

akm, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd happily recommend one of their singles collections or the BBC sessions to a newbie. Even their compilations are fantastic (and some of their non-LP tracks are among their very best).

Michael J. Fuxxx (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

'the pink opaque' is a good early years overview if you don't know that stuff very well

althea and (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am a 'head over heels' guy all the way tho

althea and (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Highly recommend The Pink Opaque. It was released in the 80s as a "hello America" introduction to the band, comprised of a few album tracks and singles, and it did its job well. Even though it's not a proper album, it's my favorite.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

some of those bbc sessions are better than the studio tracks (esp. 'hazel' and 'blind dumb deaf')

althea and (donna rouge), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Head Over Heels and Heaven or Las Vegas are my favorite LPs, but The Spangle Maker EP, reprised in its entirety (minus a 7" edit) on The Pink Opaque comp, remains their finest moment.

Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

agreed - I would go w/BBC Sessions or Pink Opaque to get a sense of where you would want to go next as far as the albums proper.

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

"The Spangle Maker" is one of the all-time greatest songs of ever.

Michael J. Fuxxx (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ fact

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 March 2012 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink


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