Worst "genre" created by a journalist part 4534547668686 : 'Hypnagogic Pop' by David Keenan.

I think I must've got the wrong Ferraro stuff (there is, after all, a great deal of it, most of which disappears long before I know about it) because I haven't been reminded of 80s pop by what I've heard at all. Don't recall too many "bombastic 1980s power vocals" from Pocahaunted either but then I haven't listened in a while. I'm just going to imagine that everything else sounds like John Maus for the article to make sense to me.

i agree, i can see a band like Pocahaunted being inspired by that sorta stuff but they really don't sound like that at all

so er how about that british visionary jazz article eh?

That was interesting but the Wire just couldn't resist giving it a stupid tag like "Visionary Jazz". Only reason I bought this was because I was on my way up to Glasgow and needed something to read. Stopped buying it when it became a Goth metal rag for people who don't actually like rock music.

when was that?

Who gives a fuck?

But, basically, when Chris Bohn took over

Stopped buying it when it became a Goth metal rag for people who don't actually like rock music

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with a tag like "visionary jazz" either. "Hypnagogic pop" strikes me as rather silly, but in this case Rob Young is bang on target.

Stopped buying it when it became a Goth metal rag for people who don't actually like rock music

― Nuts, whole hazelnuts, HEEUUUUUUUURGGHHH! (Tom D.),

That is not actually anything like what the Wire is about at all.

― anagram,

well he wouldn't know, remember he stopped buying it!

just saw "hypnagogic pop" used on Pitchfork (alongside "glo-fi"). he treated it condescendingly, but i think the better approach is SEAL IT IN A BOX SO THAT IT CAN NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with a tag like "visionary jazz" either. "Hypnagogic pop" strikes me as rather silly, but in this case Rob Young is bang on target.

Not really sure what makes it visionary, but interesting article undoubtedly

Is it "Visionary Jazz" or "British Visionary Jazz"?

Latter, I do get the "British" bit, I admit

The former seems so strongly to refer to Americans in the 60s and 70s (Sun Ra, Ornette, Ayler, etc.) - and a certain spirituality entwined with the music - that it just seems weird to me.

I suppose that was the point

Jason_Wynn
psych pop iz a poze, hypnagogic pop iz a leifschteil, 29, Male, Germany

^feeling this

on some Bruno shit

I think the Blues Control and Nite Jewel albums are the best hypnogog albums of the year and he totally missed em

maybe he doesnt have exclusive uk distribution for overpriced ltd cdrs/tapes?

Tips for successful drone/noise distribution:

1) Coin phrase in magazine.

2) Start sprinkling coined phrase into your own distro descriptions.

From Volcanic Tongue:

Julian Lynch
Orange You Glad
Olde English Spelling Bee OESB-41
LP
£15.99
You might have spotted Julian Lynch’s name as a member of Ducktails and Predator Vision, but behind the scenes he has been amassing a fairly formidable catalogue of solo CD-Rs that are near perfect articulations of Hypnagogic pop...

The word "hypnagogic" or some derivation of is used four more times in the latest VT update. They're really running with this!

a bit obnoxious yeah

wankers

lol

any overpriced ltd cdrs of these bands that they held back when they got them to cash in on now theyre OOP?

i still haven't read the wire article, but this thread lead me to check out the skaters and all this other beautiful noise that i didn't know existed. i guess oneohtrix point never is part of this thing*, i gotta recommend "a pact between strangers" and "ruined lives"... warm n rich analogue drones... this "genre" name itself is offensively stupid, though

He's reacted to some of the backlash on his blog: http://thehiddenreverse.blogspot.com/2009/08/into-wild.html

Scroll down to the heading "Hypnagogic Pop", after the Jandek talk.

i'm not convinced on the 'since chris bohn got in the wire's gone all goth-metal' line

ha i just read the wire was bought out by its staff in 2001: that's kinda cool, actually

Although that might create its own set of problems: are new POVs that might be radically different to what's there to be welcomed/argued with?

The real moan wave!!
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The Wire has gotten nearly as silly as the NME.

Highly Recommended.

tbh the wire's been infuriating for as long as i've been aware of it, which is since like '01. but it's still the magazine i'll look for in train stations. which admittedly means it falls somewhere on an interest scale like

50-100 pages of book > today's paper > another 50-100 pages of book > the wire > the economist

i mean — how long ago was 'new weird america'? that one was WAY more annoying, bcz it stood some chance of gaining real traction amongst ppl whose opinions i wouldn't immediately disregard — whereas if anyone tells me they're into 'hypnagogic pop' i am pretty sure i can ignore them

I used hypnagogic pop in a review last week. Granted it was with scarequotes you could see from space but it still felt gooooooooood

So could things be retroactively tagged as "hypnagogic pop"? What would or would not make something like Spiritualized's "Electric Mainline" hypnagogic pop?

Or, for that matter, "Soon"?

I guess I'm threatening to become this thread's spokesperson for the term by answering this, but the fact that those are from albums with high production budgets - famously so in one case - and don't seem to try and be evoking nostalgia as an *ethos*, would say to me that they don't have a lot to do with the idea. At a guess tho MBV have had a trickle-down influence on bands from this sphere, maybe filtered through Flying Saucer Attack and that lot

wouldn't DEFINITION hypnagogic pop be those catchy lines from pop songs that loop over and over again in your brain when you are lying in bed sick or hungover?

that's part of why this term annoys me ... that there are plenty of other things that more obviously fit the definition as the words are commonly understood.

Also, wondering what the ratio was of "new weird america" being used sincerely vs. ironically.

are dead machine's hp?

HPs tend to last longer than Epsons, imo.

make you install all this shitty software for the scanner if you use macs tho

^^ yeah, paper handling is kinda crappy, too.

I'm the kind of guy who needs an artisan cheesemonger, an antiquarian book store and a speciality off-license at the bottom of my street before I can even start to feel comfortable

^ this bit in his blog made me mentally thwunk him in the nads w/ a rolling pin when I read it

Eh IDK, he might be a douchebag but that reads like jokey self-deprecation

I allowed for that by only doing it gently in a jokey way.

Is The Field's "The More That I Do" hp?

i think a big part of hp is sounding like its recorded on a dictaphone/all-in-one printing and scanning capabilities

so it's essentially "lo-fi fuzzy/shoegaze pop music"? Would Spectrum's "How You Satisfy Me" be hypnagogic if GBV covered it?