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if there's a guy dancing like a dipshit then you just have to show him up.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Jason, your audience description made it sound like you actually went BACK IN TIME to 1983!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

1. I love that the title of this thread is RATPURE.
2. DOes anyone have the tracklisting for Echoes?

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

if there's a guy dancing like a dipshit then you just have to show him up.

i showed him an elbow in the back a few times. and his girlfriend showed her grinding backside to my frontside a few times too. i mostly didn't like it.

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

"mostly"

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Did her backside get shown the cock a few times too?

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

Chris V. here's the tracklist of the promo copy which is on soulseek

1-Olio
2-Heaven
3-Open up your heart
4-I need your love
5-The coming of spring
6-House of jealous lovers
7-Echoes
8-Killing
9-Sister saviour
10-Love is all
11-Infatuanition

Both great tunes, it was worth the wait.

Sami (Sami), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

Got the Out Of The Races... EP today for a quid in Croydon. Please tell me they've got better since then (note: did like HOJL).

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

Yes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Some of this is a bit Pixies, anyone agree?

Also I'm thinking the boldness of having a 4/4 house tune and such rocky stuff on one album is seriously deserving of praise.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yr so spot on about the variety on D-d-don't stop ronan.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

i like it more every time i listen to it. on headphones today was a revelation. "killing" is indeed total booming in yr jeep music. (could have done with a few more horn-stylee synth/sample horn stabs.) am really amazed they have reigned in that inevitable indie desire to freak out all over the shop enough to make an album which actually grooves for something like 80% of the time.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

not to mention, "Killing" shows some Nelly influence with a spacy feel. yessir i do like it.

rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

like it more every time i listen to it.
I agree. i think its one of thoughs albums that the more you listen to it, the more you dig it. well at least fr me, it sounded OK on first listen but better on the second.

rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

i can't believe how much i like this.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

This is amazingly good music.

xnelio (xnelio), Thursday, 15 May 2003 08:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha sterling it doesn't count if both are fucking shit!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

I like it more and more with each listen as well. I hear the Robert Smith in his voice. It makes me move my pelvis more and more with each listen as well. Like the red haired nerd from Revenge of the Nerds, Pointdexter.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:06 (twenty years ago) link

I never expected to like this album as much as I have. And I'll add Richard Hell and Marc Almond to the list of dudes we think the singer sounds like.

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

I'll second that. I was a little skeptical, but I got it last night (though I haven't listened all the way through yet) and it's WAY better than I thought it would be.

slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

2 cds still in the mail from amazon, but I fell in love with them live; I understand the beatboxy vers of Olio is the recorded one?

And wow is the guy's voice HIGH. I like it, it manages to be the goth-indie squeal to a Mayfield falsetto (that sounds like overpraise, but I think you get meh) It was pretty shocking, b/c I'd only heard HOJL and the 'rock' vers of Olio that was on gabba.net and those two are like the BOTTOM of his register!

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

Admittedly I'm taken aback by the level of praise. Love the patch in the middle but the remainder seems like "eh not bad"/avg. indie rock to me. I've probably listened to the whole thing about a dozen times now. I'm finding the guy's voice less and less tolerable.

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

I hope to hear the album today and actually see the band perform tomorrow. And then I shall report.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

His voice makes the group! See, this is how you work the itinerant tuneless yelp correctly.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

In fact, the entirety of _Echoes_ is what The Beta Band SHOULD have sounded like.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:24 (twenty years ago) link


They did a stellar job sequencing the tracks. Assuming this is the track order of the real release.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

it's not that tuneless! One song (dunno which yet) did the whole leading-tone-in-a-minor-key trick and he (and the bass player, who also sings a fair amt) hit it every time. (but I get what you mean, Dan)

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

When's it out over here?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

(Yeah, I was talking more about vocal quality than the actual notes he's hitting.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

I had the "Races" EP, and liked half of the tracks, then went off them. Then I heard the "old" version of Olio and thought "meh". Then I heard the "new" version of Olio...can't wait for the album. The last song on the aforementioned EP ("Caravan"?) is also great.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

Cheers for the Sister Saviour recommendation Yancey, it's excellent.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

Cool, Ronan. It's my fave on there by far.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah it's got that swirly club feel to it, I could almost imagine it being played out. I also look forward to seeing who'll do the remixes when they release more singles. I'd love to see Jacques or someone get a hold of Sister Saviour.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

sister saviour = "jeopardy" by the greg kihn band

mosurock (mosurock), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

The new record's OK. I like the old "Olio" better tho.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

Some of this is a bit Pixies, anyone agree?

Yes, track 2. Some of it's a bit Minutemen, too.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

the best part is that i have a feeling their best record is still to come.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

That's so very true, jess. And I don't have that feeling very often. It's a good feeling.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

i keep wondering how much of this is murphy and goldworthy. it's pretty well-known that the rapture and dfa spent a lot of time on this record, and jim & tim spent a lot of time trying to convince the rapture to go in more of a dance direction. obviously their prodding worked. live they are still much closer to out of the races (which i loved then and i love now, h8rs step off!) than "hojl," so i think there might be two bands at work here -- the rapture (sorry, ratpure) studio act, which combines dance and rock convincingly, stressing each equally, and the rapture the live act, which doesn't stray too far from the gang of four template.

i would not be surprised, actually, if they never make another record. since they hooked up with dfa almost two years ago they've really been sheltered and coddled by jim & tim -- tons of studio time, lots of off days, etc. -- and once echoes drops (sometime in 2k7, at this rate) they'll be in a spotlight that they've managed to court yet avoid at the same time. i dunno if they'll be able to handle it. i hope they can, though. they're sweet guys and an amazing band...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

another point: a friend proposed that the dfa is courting this early factory records vibe in that they're trying to stay out of the limelight but at the same time trying to bring the attention to themselves without looking like they want it. standard-issue p.r. for sure. he suggested that once the rapture, juan maclean and lcd soundsystem records drop (a couple of which perhaps on a major label, say some who are in the know) the dfa will no longer be able to maintain this air of mystery and they'll become just another pair of studio heads and the dfa as we know it will die.

i dunno if i believe that, but it's interesting to think about. that once the dfa becomes THE DFA they'll effectively cease to exist. i dunno.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

has anyone heard lcd soundsystem besides "give it up" and "losing my edge"?

They're not too far away from exploding are they? It certanly isn't a scene that will stay in any one incarnation for very long.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

i was talking to matos about what the reception to the rapture will be once echoes drops, and i maintain that the glossy reviews will not be great, just cuz they generally aren't friendly to dance music, just like the mainstream u.s. scene isn't. for the rapture i think it'll be a big in nyc, la and europe situation. elsewhere they won't do shit.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

Jockey Slut and Muzik over here are creaming themselves non stop about all the DFA stuff, partly because they're dying to promote a big new trend for dance music I suppose which might be irritating except that in fairness they're not going about it in the annoying "this is the new dance music" way which less informed stuff inevitably will once it breaks big.

But they are doing the whole creating terms like "disco pogo" and using "punkfunk" on every page almost in an effort to make it seem a huge event. I think they're anxious to be more up to speed with this than they were with electroclash.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

...the dfa will no longer be able to maintain this air of mystery and they'll become just another pair of studio heads and the dfa as we know it will die.

I think that depends wholly on the quality and fabric of the records they decide to drop, but it's an interesting thought.

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Anthony Wilson had this great quote at the SXSW talk about how not seeking publicity was fantastic until the novelty wore off (circa about 1981-82 or so). It'd prolly be reasonable to assume that DFA is gonna hit the same sort of wall, but hey, they can deal with it when it happens.

I was pretty impressed by how well the Ratpure pulled off the sound of the record when they played live. Obviously, I can see why jim & tim love working with them... they seem pretty malleable, and I don't mean that in a bad sort of way.

The guy at the merch table said late summer for a release date, btw, and even that sounded kind of tentative. I do wonder what the delay is? Seems like it'd be a perfect summer record. Is their international distribution REALLY that hard to sort out?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

There are deals afoot, Aaron. The date's gone from late May to June to now August, from what I've heard. But yeah, some majors are not only courting the Rapture but the DFA as a whole, which would obviously be tough. It's hard to see how the DFA's current inconspicuous approach would mesh with the demands of the likes of Iovine, Davis, etc.

And yeah, the Rapture does seem malleable in a good way. We need more bands who don't respect their own sound and style as much as they should (see my Calla thread).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

the unwritten law against releasing indie rock records while school's out must be remembered also

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't Trevor Jackson just dying to release all this stuff on Output in the UK and get the kudos though?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

very true blount. as odd as it sounds, cmj still matters in some worlds!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

Weird that they'd want to go that route, Yanc3y. Bet they must be getting some phat deals coming their way though.

The thing that worries me... if Alan McGee taught us anything, it's that once you make your deal with the major, you're gonna sell loads more records but it's basically all over.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 15 May 2003 18:30 (twenty years ago) link


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