Worst "genre" created by a journalist part 4534547668686 : 'Hypnagogic Pop' by David Keenan.

why are we surprised that music critics are total and complete wastes of time?

"we"

"you"

I'm not. I'm a very good cook, cocktail maker and expert direction giver and map reader.

He described Wolves In The Throne Room as emo and fuzzpop about four issues ago.

Haha I can kind of get with this too!

Nah, seriously, "critics are awful" has been a favourite meme since I first read Henry Fielding rocking it from some point c. 1745.

Haha I can kind of get with this too!

Same here!

and you've been contrary since 1745 too?
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Down this road lies the madness of C. Eddy and a lifetime toiling in the fields describing the influence of Die Kreuzen on Ashlee Simpson* but for all that it is sometimes a fun way of thinking

*paraphrasing from some old ILM post that stuck w/ me

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It's nothing to do with contrariness and something to do with recognising a symbiotic relationship when I see one.

i heard they invented jokes in ice cr?ms college

Reynolds weighs in

so i've been reading blissblog lately and simon reynolds is kindof an idiot

that's kinda a dumb name for a blog.

Ironically enough.

I still never figured out what "hauntology" was about. I just figured anyone using it at the time was a hackademic I could delete from my RSS reader back when I used an RSS reader lol.

hauntology = the study of making moanwave?

I don't mind the stuff they mean when they talk about hauntology, but they make it such HARD WORK. I remember actually thinking Tender Buttons was kindof a fun record. TURNS OUT I WAS WRONG U GUYZ

http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2009/07/a1

Reynolds' post was a little, erm, academic, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Especially for looking at the new age element.

Basically just weighing in so I can make a promise to the world: I will never be one of those music critics who goes around making up genre names. (Oh god I hope I haven't already done this at some point.)

marchism

I'd think that making up genre names would be one of the fun things about being a music critic ... it's just that the ones Keenan's come up with are kinda lame.

Who coined "moan wave" anyway?

Yeah, what good are critics if not for coining new genres? Aren't those like clowns who don't make anyone laugh?

"who've realized that noise is a bit of a dead end (better late than never eh?)"

"The New Age thing (one of the main imprints, run by the Skaters, is actually called New Age Tapes) cracked me up initially, in a "hipsters! whatever will they think of next!" sort of way."

Really guys? Coining genre names sounds right about near "answering cell phone calls from publicists you don't remember giving your number" on my list of favorite things related to being a semi-pro music critic. But maybe I'm alone here.

Seems more like, I dunno, being a marketer or something. Which, fair play, but I mean, as a JOURNALIST, if people who listen to the music actually talk about it a certain way, debate whether it's moanwave or hauntology or punk or metal, then great, inform readers "hey there's this hypnagogic thing now." But I'd rather leave starting the next micro-trend to people who do that professionally. I'm just a dude who reviews those micro-trends. (I realize there's some give-and-take, I just don't want to come up with names that don't already have some meaning. There are too many awful genre names for the average music fan as it is.)

Who coined "moan wave" anyway?

― actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:37 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

pretty sure it started on sp0ckm0rgue, which is an SF/Oakland noiz3 dude email list

Why isnt Fuck Buttons included in Hypopnogaglic pop?

I think it would be more fun to make up genre names for music you think is crap, than stuff you respect.

xp Whiney - I'm on that list, and someone mentioned someone else coming up with it.

Why isnt Fuck Buttons included in Hypopnogaglic pop?

I would bet every last thing I own on David Keenan having nothing nice at all to say about Fuck Buttons

he doesnt have uk distribution for them?

A publicist or band coming up with the genre name themselves is like someone tapping themselves on the shoulder with a pvc pipe and giving themselves a knighthood.

i'm going to come out and say it - i started the term moan wave, or at least had a hand in it.

Is your name Luk3?

y

you were the one given credit on the morgue ...

you know the two of you should post on the rolling noise thread since nobody else does

I don't buy/listen to much in the way of noise records though ... just see a bunch of shows.

i post on brutalsfx for my noise needs. this list is just to read what the limey's are saying....

but :sigh: ok fine.

we could post highlights of b-sfx threads on the noise thread.

fine with me

At least this thread, and therefore this daft article and silly term, has got me listening to Emeralds. I'd dismissed them after hearing some of their older stuff - "Bullshit boring drone band" wasn't just a clever name - but really enjoying What Happened & Solar Bridge now.

not enough noise on ILM imo

i saw emeralds play with TG here in brooklyn. tuff crowd no doubt, and the sound man was giving them problems but i thought they were good. unfortunately, the new age/noise cliche of starting out *soft* and ending *loud* was there. i aint no fans of build ups. get up and get out, thats my motto! :)

Do they actually end loud though? On record I kinda think they build up to something that's more expansive than actually loud. They're not really noisy enough to be a noise band but I did like Solar Bridge a lot and I haven't really given What Happened a proper go.

This guy's a real turd. He's what, a decade late to the party? Noise + post-rock + hippie dippy crap = 2002-2006. Late to the party, man, so stop trying to make up for it by inventing funny soundin names

Bullshit Boring Drone Band is still good, i prefer their older stuff anyway. Allegory of Allergies still being the uh...masterpiece

Emeralds don't belong in that article really, he's trying too hard to lump in a bunch of stuff so it doesn;t seem as thin as it really is. Those guys aren't that dreamer/outer space surrealist type like The Skaters are

and James Ferraro makes up titles in his 'catalog' which people order to find out eventually they don't exist in real life, which Ferarro isn't about though....

Spectrum, what bands from 2002-2006 are you thinking of by the way?