Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Isn't a reason that makes sense...better, Mr. psychoanalyst?

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

Better .. but not as good as "isn't a reason that makes sense to me."

Don't forget that you have to appease the hardcore puerile contingent...

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

No, I meant is your overall point that there's no good reason for hating a band? Is there any reason that someone could offer for why they hate the DMB that you would accept as a valid reason?

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

Clearly the answer is "no" (unless my comment on Dave's vocal production counts as valid).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

"hike up your dress a little more/ and show your world to me:"
and in the sequel he sings "I've seen a million coochies/ and I've rocked them all."

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

I've accepted reasons not to like them from people with valid points, buddy. I accepted that his voice is kinda cooky sometimes and that could be a turn off to their music. And that you just plain don't like the feel of it, or that it's not "hard enough" for your tastes. Pretty much anything that is an opinion, I can accept, and that's why I stopped being so defensive on this thread..because the majority of you actually have legitimate, well-founded standpoints.
The reasons I can't understand are "too many people like them, and they're all hippies and frat boys" or "that one line in that one song about girls hiking up their skirts means he's a perverted pedophile and gets with like 30 groupies after every show" and all things similar to that. I do give credit where credit it due...but that's too hypercritical to give any recognition.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

that's why I stopped being so defensive on this thread..because the majority of you actually have legitimate, well-founded standpoints.

YAY! I feel like this conversation is going somewhere.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

Then Allison let go of the steering wheel

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

OK. Granted, "too many people like them" is not a good reason for hating something. But "frat boys and hippies like them" and "that line about girls hiking up their skirts" seem like valid reasons.
The former: if someone you respect likes music that you're not fond of, you might be willing to give it another chance based on that respect. It works the other way too: if someone whose tastes differ from yours completely on almost every subject (ie, hippies and frat boys) like a certain band, it might not be good reason alone not to like that band, but with other factors, it can certainly add to the hatred. Especially because if you go to a DMB show, these are the people you will almost certainly be forced to socialize with.
The latter: I'm sorry, but even if this is "only one line" and "a joke," it's a pretty fucking sexist thing to say and reflective of an attitude that's deserving of hatred. A joke can be sexist, and even if it is only one line, it's one that he chose to make public in a forum open to millions of people, which is not the wisest thing to do if you're a "completely respectable" person.

― NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

I hate him partly for the same reason I hated pink floyd the first 16 years of my life: overexposure. I once spent a summer taking courses at a college in Bham (mind you, this was 2000) and my discman held the only 2 speakers that weren't playing his music 24/7. Also, his lyrics are shit, all of his music that isn't pathetically overproduced like "the space between" sounds the goddamn same. plus he tries to pretend like he's this laid back happy go lucky guy when he's really a coke addict.
all that aside, Don Lennon's pair of songs about him make it all worthwhile.

― Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 16 June 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

argh][;.,lkpo[pip9i,oisudf0934-w9-0!!!

....and that's what I have to say about that.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

Hating a band because people you consider assholes and idiots listen to it all the time is almost as reasonable as hating a musician because they aren't on the Top 40 or belong to the wrong record label

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

okay...now that I got that out.
Sorry if I skip over some points on your posts, it's about 20 of you guys vs. one of me, and I'm too lazy to go back and read everthing. Basically...you're saying if everyone started liking a band you like, you should stop listening to them. If you look up at the bands I like, you'll probably see that it's not the normal roster of DMB fans, and may even have some bands you like. I'm definetly not your definition of the conventional fan, given that I listen to and play MANY diverse styles of music (DMB being far from my favorite). You're probably thinking "then why the fuck does she like DMB, who is seemingly borning and uninspiring"? I was sceptical of their music at first, also thought only the potheads listened to them and anything they like wouldn't be applealing to me.
Anyway..if you can go along with me for a second I promise there's a point to this...kinda. If any of you have had a time where even if your life is ostensibly normal, but you still feel constantly futile, you can relate. Music somtimes is the only thing that alleviates that feeling. The bands that I listened to at the time were pretty hard-line and aggressive, so I needed something mellow. What band is mellow most of the time? That's right..DMB, very good! I realized that they weren't as boring as I initially thought and they actually had a lot of talent and substance in their playing. If you can't get over the fact that one comment, which I, as a woman, don't find nearly as offensive or sexist as the majority of music produced by most artists, mainstream or otherwise, then you probably have a verrryyy modest music lineup.
People keep bringing up "the space between" which is, in my opinion, one of the shittiest songs they've written. Unless you're a tactless, imperceptive bastard, you'd at least acknowledge that Dave's lyrics are heartfelt and sincere.
By the way, his lifestyle has much changed since their early days. The comment about being a coke addict may have been accurate 10 years ago, but now it is a bit outdated.

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

I'm a tactless and imperceptive bastard

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

okay, someone should recommend some 'mellow' bands that Allison might like. (not to replace DMB, just to add to it)

― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

no shit, Millar...

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 21:41 (twenty years ago) link

Tracy Chapman
James Taylor
Mary Chapin Carpenter
Donovan
Lyle Lovett
Simon & Garfunkel
Laura Nyro
Dan Fogelberg
Carole King
Emmylou Harris
The Carpenters
Hootie & The Blowfish
Grateful Dead
Phish
Widespread Panic
Blues Traveler
Aquarium Rescue Unit
String Cheese Incident
Neil Diamond

― Millar (Millar), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

Seals & Croft! "Summer Breeze" rocks blocks off cocks!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 16 June 2003 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

Diamond girl's better.. =P~

― Allison, Monday, 16 June 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

Who on earth is Dave Matthews? I've never even heard of him, or his music. Seriously. I assumed that you were all simply having some sot of philosophical discussion about dull band names over here on this thread. And now I find it's all about *music*. Whoa. Respect to you crazy cats into attacking and defending your obscure artists. Is he one of those "Beat Of The Traps" dudes? Should I be fitting him into the next "Outsider" issue of Careless Talk - or is he too "outside" for even that?

Is this an American thing?

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:02 (twenty years ago) link

Incidentally, the second initial answer on this thread works equally well, if not better, if you change

"Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring."

Hes a 90s sting. he's Smog. Yuppie music. Hes boring.

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:03 (twenty years ago) link

he's conor oberst with a bigger, slightly more improv backing band and a slightly - slightly - lower timbre.

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:04 (twenty years ago) link

Really? Maybe I should check him out... If he really does exist, that is - and you crazy ILM cats aren't having some weird form of extended metaphysical joke. Which I really wouldn't put past some of the people here.

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 07:11 (twenty years ago) link

I liked the part where I crashed Allison's brain. That was neat.

And I wasn't saying that I don't like DMB because a lot of people like them, which is the point that you seem to be addressing. I'm saying that one of the reasons I don't like them is that frat boys and hippies like them. I'm willing to accept that this is probably a stupid reason too, and I'm really only being half serious about it, but no one has really said why a band's audience is not a good reason for not liking that band.

― NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 11:17 (twenty years ago) link

Have fun, Jerry.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

(sadly that opening page is really good. it might cause jerry to stalk dmb for a schpecial feature.)

― nathalie (nathalie), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

what if you like just a fraction of the band's audience, does that mean you can like "4.3 songs" or "the bass lines" or something

― dave q, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

he's conor oberst with a bigger, slightly more improv backing band and a slightly - slightly - lower timbre.

I thought this was the Wesley Willis Fiasco. But whatever.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

Ask the people who select the music they listen to by the type of audience it appeals to.

― Allison, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

(Takes cursory glance at website)

Oh, so the Dave Matthews Band is halfway between Grateful Dead (another band no one in the UK has heard: it's a bit like the way no one knows a single baseball or basketball or American "football" player outside the States) and Moby, right?

Whoa! They sell flipflops! Just in time for summer, too. Now, why didn't Careless Talk think of that? PS: Ned, I need your column specially early this issue. Like next week.

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

More like halfway between Medeski, Martin and Wood and G. Love and Special Sauce.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

Or Bela Fleck and Leo Sayer.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 15:53 (twenty years ago) link

Ack. Okay, Jerry, but please send me a followup reminder via e-mail or I'll never get it done!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, and "the guy sings like a Muppet" is hardly a criticism.

So does Neil Young - Kermit

― Jerry (Jerry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

Ask the people who select the music they listen to by the type of audience it appeals to.

You're really hung up on that, aren't you.

Dave Matthews Band is halfway between...

I'd say they're in some hellish middle-ground between Manheim Steamroller, Jimmy Buffett and Kansas.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, and "the guy sings like a Muppet" is hardly a criticism.

So does Neil Young - Kermit

I don't remember ever saying I liked Neil Young.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, you guys started it.

― allison, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

No, I believe "John McAteer" started it.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 17 June 2003 22:34 (twenty years ago) link

Yes Sir...

― allison, Tuesday, 17 June 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Taking Sides: Momus Vs Dave Matthews Band

― Rambo, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

i hate the dave matthews band because their bassist's dad is a really unreliable guitar tech. he had my guitar for 4 months and didn't fix it.

― brains (cerybut), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

Well now...there's yet another well-founded rationale. I applaud you for being so profound and equitable in your reasoning.

Stay tuned folks...Allison's brain is once again on the brink of destruction.

― Allison, Wednesday, 18 June 2003 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

::yawn:::

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

and in the sequel he sings "I've seen a million coochies/ and I've rocked them all."

This shouldnt've been ignored.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Wednesday, 18 June 2003 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

Well now...there's yet another well-founded rationale. I applaud you for being so profound and equitable in your reasoning.
Allison...is there a single answer in the universe that you *would* accept as perfectly legitimate?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 19 June 2003 10:45 (twenty years ago) link

I think Allison should become an ILX regular.

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:30 (twenty years ago) link

"Gooba Gabba, Gooba Gabba, We Accept You, We Accept You! Gooba Gabba, Gooba Gabba, One of Us, One of Us!"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 19 June 2003 11:35 (twenty years ago) link

Ahh...see, that's what you get when you don't pay attention. If you look back, you'll notice that the question in question has already been questioned =P

― Allison, Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:21 (twenty years ago) link

You all need to get LIVES. John Mayer sucks 100% and Dave Matthews Band is a group who are a lot more talented then other bands out there. I just wanted to tell you haters out there to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all fake and all of you out there all. We are all from something else. You all who hate DMB don't even know what you are talking about. Your proboly a bunch of non comformists who conform yes I mean you goth people and whatever else you all are. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!

― Margaret Smith, Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, to be 11 again...

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 26 June 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

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