the honest answer, seems to me, is the character is an obvious racist stereotype, repeated so often that everyone agrees to pretend its not for the sake of commerce and continuity and without a celebrity and grass roots accuser to point out the emperor has no clothes, disney is happy to keep on keepin' on.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:39 (two years ago) link
many people unabashedly love orientalism is how I break it down to an extent
― rob, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:43 (two years ago) link
animated cartoons are incredibly fertile ground for race stereotypes, but disney makes too much money off this shit to mess with its basic formula. they offset the racist villain with a de-racinated hero/princess and call it good.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:51 (two years ago) link
They're currently making a big noise about casting a Latina actress in the lead for their upcoming live action remake of Snow White...but she's still called Snow White.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 20:52 (two years ago) link
also there are still comedy relief dwarfs in it
― adam t. (abanana), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 21:56 (two years ago) link
Rolling is this size-ist? Thread
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:32 (two years ago) link
as long as we're here
Deeply strange pic.twitter.com/ycilbi1iNL— James Kelleher (@etienneshrdlu) January 25, 2022
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:35 (two years ago) link
and speaking of size-isthttps://www.indiewire.com/2022/01/peter-dinklage-snow-white-remake-1234693486/
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link
“I was a little taken aback when they were very proud to cast a Latina actress as Snow White. You’re still telling the story of ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.’ Take a step back and look at what you’re doing there. It makes no sense to me,” the actor told Maron. “You’re progressive in one way and you’re still making that fucking backwards story about seven dwarfs living in a cave together, what the fuck are you doing man? Have I done nothing to advance the cause from my soapbox? I guess I’m not loud enough.”The original “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” was the first full length animated feature from Disney, and remains one of the studio’s most iconic films. Dinklage’s concerns can be interpreted as part of a larger discussion of whether old art can be judged by newer moral standards. As society’s views evolve, the debate over whether problematic works should be buried or studied continues to rage on. For his part, Dinklage doesn’t think the story of “Snow White” needs to be hidden. He just wants to see the problematic aspects addressed, saying “if you tell the story of ‘Snow White’ with the most f—ed up, progressive spin on it? Let’s do it. All in.”
The original “Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs” was the first full length animated feature from Disney, and remains one of the studio’s most iconic films. Dinklage’s concerns can be interpreted as part of a larger discussion of whether old art can be judged by newer moral standards. As society’s views evolve, the debate over whether problematic works should be buried or studied continues to rage on. For his part, Dinklage doesn’t think the story of “Snow White” needs to be hidden. He just wants to see the problematic aspects addressed, saying “if you tell the story of ‘Snow White’ with the most f—ed up, progressive spin on it? Let’s do it. All in.”
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link
That second graf is such bullshit, fuck Indiewire
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link
i will agree that "As society’s views evolve, the debate over whether problematic works should be buried or studied continues to rage on" is not a particularly helpful sentence; looks like somebody needed to beef up their word count.
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link
Peter Dinklage: "I don't like this brand new thing Disney is making"
IndieWire: SHLOULD WE CANCEL BAMBI?!?!?!
― west elm girls (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link
Snow White should've never been a brunette in the first place.
― pplains, Tuesday, 25 January 2022 22:54 (two years ago) link
When speaking of fantasy creatures, some authorities prefer "Dwarves," or - in extremely formal settings - "Dwarrows."
― Emanuel Axolotl (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 06:14 (two years ago) link
Dunno if I’m trapped in a leftist echo chamber but it’s hard to read people flying Australian flags on Jan 26 (Australia Day if you’re celebrating the founding of the colony, Invasion Day if you acknowledge the theft of an entire continent from people systematically wiped out so as not to interfere with that process) as saying anything but “fuck you” to Aboriginal Australia. It’s fine if you want to celebrate the nation, but choosing to do it on a day which has this obvious implication is literally choosing familiarity over the grief of an entire people.
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 08:41 (two years ago) link
Just finished the Kier-la Janisse Folk Horror doc and it was interesting to see the Australian bicentennial celebrations cast there as a slap in the face to indingenous communities; this logic obv applies to the American bicentennial as well but whenever I see that referenced the narrative is still just about malaise.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 26 January 2022 10:27 (two years ago) link
This is a pretty illuminating doco - can’t find it online free: https://beamafilm.com/catalogue-product/australia-daze?focus=true
― assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 26 January 2022 11:27 (two years ago) link
There's so much ugly stuff going on all the time, it's easy to get jaded, but inevitably something comes around that's so utterly fucked, you have to wonder how much worse it will get.
Tesla segregated Black workers into separate areas that its employees referred to as “porch monkey stations,” “the dark side,” “the slave ship” and “the plantation,” the lawsuit alleges. https://t.co/L5Vi13VX1d— Ellen K. Pao (@ekp) February 11, 2022
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 12 February 2022 01:22 (two years ago) link
You can take the boy out of South Africa but...
― Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:13 (two years ago) link
To answer your question, yes, this is racist.
― pplains, Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:17 (two years ago) link
So says California’s civil rights agency in a lawsuit filed against the electric-vehicle maker in Alameda County Superior Court on Thursday on behalf of thousands of Black workers after a decade of complaints and a 32-month investigation.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:24 (two years ago) link
I wasn't really wondering, in case that wasn't obvious
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:27 (two years ago) link
Moodles OTM. This is some extremely committed throwback old school racism
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 12 February 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
Bracing.
so i follow a few national parks on facebook, and apparently last week was "national invasive species awareness week" (NISAW). capitol reef national park and great basin national park both did a few posts about it. capitol reef chose to highlight the tumbleweed, which is russian thistle that was introduced to the american west in the late 1800s. kind of an interesting choice considering what's going on in the world. someone commented "fuck tumbleweeds." it seemed to me like idk something else must be contributing to the passion behind that comment other than the inherent badness of tumbleweeds.
then great basin national park, which is in the middle of nowhere in nevada and often posts questionable things related to climate change, straight up posted a meme image asserting that more species extinctions are attributable to invasive species than to human caused climate change (with no citation). which is very disingenuous considering invasive species are human caused.
anyway, invasive species - the more i think about it the more it's basically a reflection of xenophobia and american nationalism? is there any soundness to the concept, when "invasive species" have been the majority of what's going on environmentally worldwide for idk hundreds of years? it also seems like the mainstream of environmental science or whatever the name of the field we're talking about here has moved past the concept and argues that it's outlived its usefulness. from a quick glance at google. idk if we have any environmental scientists or anything here to elucidate but is this generally what's going on?
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Monday, 7 March 2022 02:05 (two years ago) link
anyway, invasive species - the more i think about it the more it's basically a reflection of xenophobia and american nationalism?
no. geez, learn some ecology. ecosystems that evolved in isolation from other ecosystems are very highly integrated and balanced
is there any soundness to the concept, when "invasive species" have been the majority of what's going on environmentally worldwide for idk hundreds of years?
fuck me. hundreds of years you say? biology on earth has been evolving for approximately 1 billion years. and trans oceanic migration and successful establishment of non-local species before humans got involved was on the order of maybe idk one species per ten thousand years.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 7 March 2022 03:13 (two years ago) link
Also, not all non-native introduced species become invasive!
― peace, man, Monday, 7 March 2022 03:28 (two years ago) link
It's not just the US where you hear about "invasive species" btw. You hear a lot about it in the UK, what with being an island and all.
― Alfred Ndwego of Kenya (Tom D.), Monday, 7 March 2022 07:34 (two years ago) link
reminds me of the strange case of the murder/suicide lab technician who claimed in his suicide note it was all because of his fear of Japanese Knotweed.
― calzino, Monday, 7 March 2022 07:53 (two years ago) link
map, the nib had a recent article talking about this. The concept obviously not being that ecosystems can't be disturbed by new arrivals, but that the vocabulary around this is coded in xenophobic ways, and that this is reflected in some of the strategies employed against them as well.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 09:02 (two years ago) link
Here it is:
https://thenib.com/invaders/
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 09:05 (two years ago) link
UK grey squirrel/red squirrel discourse is some astonishingly bloodthirsty and quasi-racist bullshit tbh yes
― imago, Monday, 7 March 2022 09:13 (two years ago) link
Any new deepfake conspiracies today?
Here it is:https://thenib.com/invaders🕸/
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 7 March 2022 13:17 (two years ago) link
-poop- How the hell did that get in there
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 7 March 2022 13:18 (two years ago) link
I'm choking on my breakfast over here.
― peace, man, Monday, 7 March 2022 13:27 (two years ago) link
English is a nice language (for Boring, Maryland to poop on).
― removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Monday, 7 March 2022 13:55 (two years ago) link
Yeah I don't buy english as somehow being a language lacking a soul or anything either, quer dizer, não é português mas é ok. The language no more to blame than the species brought over by the colonizers, really. But it's an aside and as you said, not gonna chide Native American ppl for getting some shots in at the dominant culture.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 14:01 (two years ago) link
I poop blood and soil
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 7 March 2022 15:08 (two years ago) link
^Skrewdriver getting lazy
― i read to 69 position (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 March 2022 15:29 (two years ago) link
well it's been fun trolling national park followers who go off on completely unhinged rants about a plant.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link
there may be some validity to the concept of a plant species being 'invasive' i.e. disrupting an ecosystem but people who then focus their intense rage on the plant itself or the immigrants who brought it here need therapy.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:12 (two years ago) link
and if you really think about it, it isn't immigrants who are responsible, it's ......................................capitalism
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link
haha, i don't think most people that are into invasive plants are like that, though. one of the greatest guys i've ever met, kind of my mentor if i ever had one, at my old job, was an ecologist who spent his weekends leading small groups in expeditions to teach people to identify and remove invasive plants. he'd talk about that stuff all the time, and now that he's retired, he's stepped up his plant whacking game even more.
anyway, i would guess that anyone that has intense rage about a plant or immigrants would also rage about many other things which also don't deserve it at all, so better to unfollow/unfriend
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link
i get that they are nice people but .. i remember hearing a bit about the tamarisk debate when i lived in moab. and i just never found the old guard side of it convincing at all. you hear all sorts of arguments about all the bad stuff that tamarisk does but ultimately it really is a magic eye kind of situation isn't it? you can sure raise a lot of bad things about what the act of removing tamarisk does to an ecosystem.
there is a lot of projection and dare i say religious substitution and maybe some gene selecting ideology and not a lot of clear thinking involved with these people ime. but yes they are nice.
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:29 (two years ago) link
I swear I have never seen “invasive species” associated with human immigration or whatever. Most of this stuff comes over via shipping and our glorious international trade. So this whole “trying to combat invasive species is racism” train of thought is just weird to me. The point of trying to keep non-native species at bay is to try to preserve biodiversity and endangered native species that get frequently crowded out of the ecosystem.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:31 (two years ago) link
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, March 9, 2022 4:19 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
oh these people aren't my friends lol they're just rando followers of national parks who pushed back very emotionally after i posted a note about xenophobic overtones along with this article https://e360.yale.edu/features/native-species-or-invasive-the-distinction-blurs-as-the-world-warms
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
xp haha, i don't know, i'll just agree to disagree on that, sorry. whacking invasive plants is the kind of family-friendly, normal activity that you can do with children to teach them about ecology
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:33 (two years ago) link
I swear I have never seen “invasive species” associated with human immigration or whatever. Most of this stuff comes over via shipping and our glorious international trade. So this whole “trying to combat invasive species is racism” train of thought is just weird to me.
same
like, if i were teaching 3rd grade or whatever, i think it would be good to take them on a short field trip to learn about invasive plants
― the world's undisputed #1 fan of 'Spud Infinity' (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:35 (two years ago) link
I mean the emerald ash borer kills ash trees. We already lost american chestnuts and elms. I’d like to not have another eastern us tree species go bye bye.
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 9 March 2022 16:37 (two years ago) link