Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

It embarrasses me to remember I once found this guy cute.

But he was kinda cute until 2001, yes?

no

now even in his older pics he looks like a bellybutton left on a log

I mean, I knew at least a few dozen girls circa 1996 that would say he was.

is Luther College even a real place? is it exclusively for chiropractors?

Yeah, it's a Lutheran liberal arts college in Iowa.

very upset, revisiting crash, to realize i like "#41" as much as i ever did lol

also the beginning and end of "two step" is so cool, i think i unconsciously hoped they would move further into that doomy and atmospheric sound. which they sort of did, until they made an album with glen ballard

ugh listening to the lillywhite sessions now

this is the best album ever

"captain" and "big eyed fish" are among the best songs dude ever wrote

and busted stuff may exist but it doesn't have my favorite song "jtr" on it (and the band apparently hated "jtr" the most of the material????)

very upset, revisiting crash, to realize i like "#41" as much as i ever did lol

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:16 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the back half of that song is special

oh yeah i said it already

I love the (3+ minute) coda on #41 through the intro of Say Goodbye.

― IKEA metaballs (Spottie), Tuesday, April 1, 2014 9:24 AM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think "bartender" is the only extended dmb studio cut that doesn't make me feel like it's weird that they're a jam band

then again i think a binding feature of jam bands is possibly that, excepting the allman brothers, they're never really bands you would want or expect to be jam bands, it's always like, "these guys? playing this music? ok i guess"

I have been revisiting the work of DMB myself of late, driven by the 60 Songs That Explain the 90s episode on "Crash" and the Bandsplain episode featuring Grayson Haver Currin (who wrote the Sunday Review) - I would highly recommend both, especially the latter. There are many good observations and insights throughout the two. Some of the ones that are most memorable:

- The band's unique diversity, especially for the time
- Matthews' ability to write approachable acoustic guitar driven pop songs that a totally average player could manage to learn--paired with the well-documented musicianship of drummer Carter Beauford, bassist Stefan Lessard, and the many talented guests they've surrounded themselves with over the years (e.g., Tim Reynolds, Bela Fleck, Trey Anastasio, etc.)--make them sui generis; they are not a jam band, so much as a pop band with jam band ambitions, while most jam bands (e.g., Phish) tend to be the opposite
- Matthews' international upbringing and personal/family struggles have occasionally manifested in inspired writing, most notably "Cry Freedom", which Currin writes eloquently about in the Sunday Review: "Though written about apartheid after its end, the song feels prescient for the United States 25 years later, a smoldering lament for a country of Blue Lives Matter banners that flap even as state-sponsored violence rages on. It is a salient reminder to be a witness, even if you’re not a savior."
- Their incredible longevity and popularity - Under the Table & Dreaming hit #11 in 1994, Crash hit #2 in 1996, and all of their studio albums since--7 albums over 20 years--have hit #1

Upon re-listens, Live at Luther College and Before These Crowded Streets hold up and stand out as the best of their pre-Stand Up catalog in my book.

Also agree "#41" is his best song.

that all seems v otm

when I was more into DMB I liked #41 a lot. my friend was into that same one too when he was more of a DMB head.

he is getting divorced and his ex-spouse and step-daughter moved away and went to Illinois, leaving him alone for the first time in like a decade.

he got drunk and recorded himself playing and singing a bunch of songs, and "#41" was one of them. it was a rendition akin to watching someone's soul leave his body while still being alive.

his version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DMB's.

sad lol

how high did his voice get on "GOES by"?

WHY won't you run inTO rain and play

In his Sunday Review Currin also discusses the influence of DMB on the next generation of musicians and calls out Justin Vernon. I had never made the connection between the self-titled Bon Iver album and "Lover Lay Down," "Crash," etc., but duh.

Oh I definitely remember hearing DMB elements in Bon Iver's self titled album at the time and thinking to myself that it'll only be a matter of time till we start getting a critical reassessment of the Dave Matthews band.

One thing revisiting dmb has made me realize the last 24 hrs is that in comparison… John Mayer sucks. Also, he should not have been reassessed first. What the hell was that about

i’ve had “say goodbye” stuck in my head for three days bc of this recent thread bump. i don’t even like that song very much (suffers from one of my least favorite dave tics, stuffing the chorus with too many words)

Yeah, I think "Say Goodbye" is the weakest track on "Crash". Not a terrible tune, but I'd much rather listen to the other songs on the album.

"don't drink the water" is such a dope song

also i loaded all the answers for this thread and decided it is the #onethread

who would have thought that in 2021 people would like Dave Matthews more than Dave Chappelle

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Yeah, I think "Say Goodbye" is the weakest track on "Crash". Not a terrible tune, but I'd much rather listen to the other songs on the album.

― Lone Wanderer Mark II,

"Stay" has Doritos breath it wants to share with you.

think there are a good number of people that saw the DMB scene in Lady Bird and had a reevaluation of a band like DMB they felt ashamed to like at that age.

What’s cool abt them to me at the time was they seemed kind of sophisticated. Also it made a lot of sense of you were into like, classic rock, world music, jazz, jam bands, just an amalgamation of stuff that felt right at the time

"don't drink the water" is such a dope song

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, October 18, 2021 6:20 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

All of Before These Crowded Streets is legit. I suspect it was at least partially inspired by OK Computer: it's the only one of their pre-Stand albums that feels like it has a cohesive narrative structure; it's full of religious imagery; the growling angry Dave energy on "The Last Stop," "Don't Drink the Water," and "Halloween" is very "You don't remember, you don't remember/ Why don't you remember my name?" Also the album that I think showcases Carter the most.

it's actually pretty dark musically, which is why I loved it as a brooding high schooler, and probably the only one I'd revisit other than Under the Table and Dreaming

does the dark stuff happen because of the oral dave did in 'Rapunzel'? is that the message? was it the oral?

the album opens with:

"Come and relax now
Put your troubles down
No need to bear
The weight of your worries here
Let them all fall away"

and then immediately after that dave is doing some oral

well, yeah

and tim reynolds plays kevin eubanks licks while he does it

OMG, those lyrix(!)

so now you have dave, leno, and oral in your head while you're driving your kids to school. it is his darkest work.

indexed i need to know if you've heard the lillywhite sessions and how they compare to busted stuff for u

I dreamed I was in this really weird musical last night with an abusive director that would SCREAM at you if you did something he didn't like or get a line wrong, and part of the show involved me playing "Crash into Me", except the lyrics were different, and since I haven't played that song on a guitar since 1998, I was messing it up.

the story of this dream is now being worked into a DMB-themed musical titled "It's Just Too Much"

oh yeah Rapunzel's worse than Crash's "And I come into you"! Also this:

Pantala Naga Pampa
Dave Matthews Band
Track 1 on
Before These Crowded Streets
The song’s title comes from a phrase an Indian chef for the band would utter in Tamil. In English, the phrase means “I have a python in my pants.”

xp in your dream, did you fret-5 on the b-string with your pinkie? could not stand how smug people were when they played it like that, and it's worse.

fuuuck no that's grounds for a beating!

"but it's the way dave plays it live". yeah well dave also uses an mic-less pickup live that makes his guitar sound like farts.

*a mic-less

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indexed i need to know if you've heard the lillywhite sessions and how they compare to busted stuff for u

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:51 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haven't listened to either in at least a decade but will revisit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omm8aM0TxlY

i love that the only full album upload of the lillywhite sessions on youtube is this dumb game