Actually -- wait -- I know exactly what specific thing this reminds me of -- and it was a case before the San Francisco Planning Commission Board of Appeals involving a two-member HOA and whether one of the owners was allowed to modify the garage to their unit without permission of the other
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
I can only imagine how bitter that fight must have been and the very thought makes my whole body want to pucker.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 11 October 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
neither owner was present at the hearing -- only the lawyers
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
Now imagining Amanda Palmer donating her kidney.
― jaymc, Monday, 11 October 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link
― jaymc, Monday, October 11, 2021 11:55 AM (twenty-seven seconds ago)
it would destroy the internet tbh
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link
I don't think an actual narcissist would ever donate a kidney
And: I was told today that "starting a Facebook group to keep your friends updated" is precisely what the living organ donor people recommend that you do lol
― kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 11 October 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link
i am guessing that this is meant for people that are actually friends in the, "we take turns driving carpool, have monthly potlucks, exchange gifts on birthdays and holidays" sense ... and not like in the "professional networking" sense.
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:10 (two years ago) link
it's more of like a "in case you were wondering if I'm going to be up to hosting book group at my house next week" and less of a marketing strategy. ... otoh, people can choose to leave FB groups
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:13 (two years ago) link
I think mentioning it on LinkedIn is what you're taught to do, in order to inspire other people to donate. she got criticized for that too but that's something they actually suggest you do.
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 11 October 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link
various religious denominations teach you to mention your affiliation publicly and encourage others to join ... like, yes, of course, they are going to suggest you essentially proselytize ... it's up to the individual to determine when they should actually do so.
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:21 (two years ago) link
on the bright side i do think that dorland being received as the hero of this story will actually lead a few more people to consider living organ donation.
― ✖, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link
the dumbest and grossest thing about larson and friends were the "what do you expect me to do, GIVE AWAY A BODY PART??" conversation.... like yeah that's what living organ donation is and what its boosters are trying to get more people to do
― ✖, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link
Gary Gilmore donated his eyes to science iirc
― sarahell, Monday, 11 October 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
narcissus fell in love not with himself but with his reflection
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Monday, 11 October 2021 19:57 (two years ago) link
Narcissism is a slippery word. People use it to just mean “self-involved” but it also evokes narcissistic personality disorder in people’s minds. Sometimes there is a motte and bailey aspect to this.
― treeship., Monday, 11 October 2021 20:10 (two years ago) link
The Living Donor Program should really just be like "Donate a kidney! Impress your friends Save a life!"
― kermit the grouch (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 11 October 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
But anyway, the Facebook stuff is moot. Dawn believed Sonya's lie. Later she found the truth — was hurt enough to quietly unfriend Sonya — and yet for TWO YEARS didn't bring it up. How is Dawn "obsessed"? She only went ballistic when she finally saw how much plagiarism there was pic.twitter.com/NBE2MZlT1e— Dan Nguyen (everyone you love decomposing to bones (@dancow) October 8, 2021
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 11 October 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link
yeah it’s outrageously craven
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 04:07 (two years ago) link
They seem to not know how fucked it is too. Just kinda one of the tools in their bullying toolkit, and it’s justified because dorland is so bad omg
― treeship., Tuesday, 12 October 2021 11:36 (two years ago) link
This is perhaps the “richest” literary clusterfuck we’ve had. It provoked real discussion.
― treeship., Tuesday, 12 October 2021 11:37 (two years ago) link
I mean did it tho
Different supposedly factual facets of ppl that serve as mere caricature aide memewars for our own often questionable recollections of ppl we didnt like once emerged and changed and in the end here we are treesh, annoying ppl exist and sometimes they form writers clubs and somewhere along the line they realise not everyone else is there to tell only them how wonderful they are full kidney complement or not and it turns toxic
I mean its the oldest story known to man rly
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:53 (two years ago) link
this is where my third-kidney request hits, join me in a better society
― mark s, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 13:33 (two years ago) link
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kidney-donation-online-dating-site_n_6162fbd6e4b06a986bd09b73
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
A Chunky Monkey says sorry
Whew, this is a hard thread, friends. Here goes. I have been a member of the Chunky Monkeys writing group, as featured in the now-famous Bad Art Friend saga. As of today, I am no longer a member of this group.— Becky Tuch (@BeckyLTuch) October 11, 2021
― Number None, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
Oh shit they lost becky
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 14:59 (two years ago) link
that is so perfectly written in that stupid twitter thread tone i can't even believe it
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
“I am sorry for the role I played, a role that I am too humble to specify here, right now, exactly, but, suffice to say”
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link
“We tortured some folks”
― treeship., Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link
I haven't been around much but this story just gets more infuriating; as someone with roughly as much claim on being nonwhite as Larson, I think the racial angle in this is horseshit but also no one seems to be really addressing it
like, there's a lot of emphasis on "she can't be a white savior, she didn't know the race of the recipient" but that's not what Larson is saying -- she's saying that white people tend to latch onto people of color and assume they are better friends than they are, and that that's what was happening here. and yeah, in general, this happens. however:
1) Larson was actively presenting herself as a friend, and kind of effusively too! if someone emails you with stuff like "I think so highly of you, and yet you say you're not feeling it. I have always encouraged you as a writer and a person, and I would not stop now, or ever," it seems like a reasonable assumption that that person is at least on good terms with you? 2) it's not like she just communicates this way with people of color -- there's a very charming email from Chip "#PublishingPaidMe an $800k advance" Cheek in which he is shocked, shocked! that Dawn was really friendly to him when she moved to LA. this just seems like the kind of person she is, in general, to everyone.3) there are other things that can make someone unaware of social cues, such as childhood trauma -- you know, the thing mentioned literally at the start of the article4) that whole gross "don't worry, you can always recruit PoC as your personal army to draaaaaag her" thing
there's also a "only white people are saying this" narrative which can be disproven in like 5 seconds of looking. it's actually kind of weird how the sides are shaking out, on dorland's side you have a bunch of seemingly ok people and also j*sse s*ngal
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
LOL her background image pic.twitter.com/EwonpTjiJv— Cersei was right (@MoviePrograms) October 12, 2021
― jmm, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
meanwhile
you guys have me going back and forth about who the worst person is in the bad art friend story so i’ve decided to just try to see myself in both of them and turn my loathing inward which is also a form of narcissism from this particular circle of hell there is no way out— eve 6ix (@Eve6) October 12, 2021
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
That is what i said earlier though
― treeship., Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
Plagiarism imo
J*sse s*ngal's angle seems to be "they both look white to me", which, respect for finding a terrible take after everyone else thought there was just bones left.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
Still waiting for the "Women would rather give away their organs than date incels" take
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link
I think "we all have texts between friends that are obnoxious about people who are getting on our nerves, like Sonya Larson" is true in a way that "we all have work emails where we grunt about who's a f****t and a p***y, like John Gruden" is not
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
1) Larson was actively presenting herself as a friend, and kind of effusively too! if someone emails you with stuff like "I think so highly of you, and yet you say you're not feeling it. I have always encouraged you as a writer and a person, and I would not stop now, or ever," it seems like a reasonable assumption that that person is at least on good terms with you?
it is the way somebody who is not your friend but wants to remain at least on good terms with you writes. the formality is way over the top for an actual friend. right? or maybe I just have very casually-writing friends but none of them would ever say or write to me "I have always encouraged you as a person"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link
these people seem weirdly obsessed with appearing to be "kind" and "warm" in that way
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
i keep reading their quotes and tweets in the voice of the art teacher from daria
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 16:19 (two years ago) link
omg do you think they actually DO talk to their real-life friends that way? Yeah maybe so, the "that could never be you because of your superhuman self-awareness!" line mentioned earlier does kinda suggest that. lordy, what a discourse community
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link
I also think "plagiarism" is a big stretch here -- if I saw a weird sign outside a church and wrote a story that had a church that had that sign it wouldn't be plagiarism. I suppose the argument is that it's different because Dorland is herself a capital-W Writer. At the very least it's just not nice to put someone's words in the mouth of a character you're casting in a cold light (in the same way it wouldn't be nice to the church and you'd just have to hope whoever put up that sign didn't read American Story Monthly.) Anyway I cannot quite fathom the idea that Larson wrote the story *as an attack on Dorland*, I think the encounter with Dorland gave Larson the idea for a story about a character who based on that New Yorker review is very obviously not Dorland and not based on Dorland.
Except that character was named 'Dawn' in an early draft - which then got changed to 'Rose Rothario', which has exactly the same alliterative pattern as 'Dawn Dorland'.
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link
"rose rothario" also so goddamn hilarious
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 18:00 (two years ago) link
Her friends call her RoRo.
― And of course the worms! (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 18:28 (two years ago) link
it's truly the todd bonzalez of literary fiction
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
I've definitely used comments from videos and internet forums (never ILX, i wouldn't do that) in my written work.
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 21:15 (two years ago) link
It's pretty common practice tbh, there's a whole poetic school based off of this sort of thing lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flarf_poetry
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link
ha, "it was just flarf don't you see" would be a hilarious new line of Sonya Larson defense
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link
bad flarf friend
lol i agree tbh
― I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link