Is there a name for that genre of turn-of-the-90s pop-rock with the positive vibes, huge guitar leads, and gated drums?

I do remember people talking about how this deal was going to be the sound of the 1990s before Nevermind really hit. Although you can count me as one of the people who thanks Nirvana, on balance, it was definitely an interesting moment.

xp o_O I think every one of those songs are permanently burned into my brain from middle school.

*is

Something always sounded uncomfortably contrived to me about a lot of these artists, even at the time. Like it was hard for me to imagine musicians organically getting together and being like "THIS. THIS IS THE MUSIC WE FEEL THE BURNING NEED TO MAKE."

lol. yeah, hard to entirely picture a band jamming around in a living room and coming up with most of these arrangements. goes back to my reading that a lot of these may be bands who walked in the door with an incompletely-formed sound, and ended up getting pressed through a very odd combination of individually industry-standard production decisions.

"Cigarette Dangles" is pretty catchy in a weird way, and kind of noteworthy as a BDSM anthem from the perspective of a submissive male (i think?). i also appreciate that the lead guy has approximately the cool-guy presence of the dude from the Encyclopedia Britannica commercials. the video, with the words flying every which way, is a SERIOUS artifact of its time, but not bad i think?

the "Living in the 90s" commercial IS a pretty good match for the mix of songs! there are a few i don't really associate with these kind of ads ("What's Up Doc?" especially). my guess for the one i was thinking of in the OP is maybe a one-disc version by the same company, or some other repackaging of the material, cause clearly it'd have to be under the same licensing deal to also have "Joyride," "Right Here Right Now," and "Unbelievable." hmmm.

oddly, while i could easily imagine a time-traveling Geggy Tah ending up on that same CD, or a viable mashup of "Whoever You Are" with the vocals from "Unbelievable," they still feel like a really different thing to me. maybe cause i owned Sacred Cow and tried valiantly to really like it. they definitely had one foot in the turn-of-the-90s, pre-grunge "college-rock" world, and some attempts at jazziness or jam-band moves.... but otherwise their sound owes a lot to the mainstream of 1996-era alt-rock and maybe Pavement. see the guitars on "Lotta Stuff" and the chorus of "Century Plant." pretty far from "Life is a Highway" i think. but Third Eye Blind is an amazing connection IMHO --- that opening guitar barrage on "Semi-Charmed Life," which I've always heard as a sort of a pop-punk or alterna-power-pop thing, is pretty clearly descended from this whole era! wow.

“Semi-Charmed Life” and “Two Princes” are basically the same groove.

yeah, i buy that. and two big ol' hits!

How about Savage Garden (“I Want You”) as another late-’90s example of this sound? I guess they’re basically Roxette…

Lol yeah I always get those two mixed up.

Xxp I can't believe 'Living in the 90's' isn't THE one!! It's an odd name for a comp that came out in 1995, like an in vain attempt to encapsulate the present. Most of my friends were listening to Bush and Smashing Pumpkins at the time. "Nirvanaless 90s rock history-that-might-have-been" was so OTM.

Like, whatever I thought "90's music" meant in 1995, it certainly wasn't that.

Ha, from the ad, I was assuming it was from 92, like a compilation of big recent radio hits for casual listeners.

I like the sight edge of irony in the otherwise straightforward ad, when they put on shades and say “…and timeless legends” (or something) for Vanilla Ice. That’s very ’90s!

I had picked up two volumes of "now that's what I call music" ca. 92-93 while visiting relatives in the UK. Those tapes are exactly what you describe, big recent radio hits indiscriminately compiled for casual listeners. This is something else. They really seem like they're trying to define an era prematurely. The music already sounded old, I def didn't realize how recent most of it was.

Xp

I'm PRETTY sure the CD ad I'm thinking of is indeed from circa 1992, but it's also very possible my memory's playing tricks on me at this point, I have no idea really. for all i know my brain just mushed up "Living in the 90s" with two other ads and ended up with a comp that doesn't exist.

Savage Garden is an interesting reference. If I had to connect them to an 90s compilation it would be Pure Moods, though. The guitar tone isn't a bad fit for this thread, but it's SO buried in the mix, and absent for large stretches - the propulsion is coming almost entirely from the drums, keyboards and bass. I wonder if one of the countless CD-single remixes brings the guitars more to the front.

how did we miss this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBZUz4C6kqk

"King of Wishful Thinking" barely has any guitar in it at all! The horns are claiming the headliner role here. Once again I recognize the stylistic adjacencies, but I worry we're at risk of drifting into a general "uncool turn-of-the-90s pop" thread.

Alannah Myles' first single, that would eventually be overshadowed by Black Velvet, would fit, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOrMzBewG0

wow. never heard that before. yeah totally! the chorus is definitely like, the "steamy" version of this sound. the verses sound like a Microsoft Songsmith auto-generated track, or like the "untrained schmoe attempts to restore priceless painting" version of the Talking Heads. - what a weird mix/arrangement!

Lots of George Clanton's stuff mines this sound. The new song is maybe too breakbeat-y to properly qualify, but the vibe is right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLemAUhT3Yc

kinda struggling to hear it tbh. but definitely an interesting set of 90s things to revive!

Yeah I don't hear it in the George Clanton track at all.

The closest thing I could think of as being a modern example of this would be Paramore's Ain't It Fun, but that's like 8 years old and also pulling in some other sounds as well.

Vanilla Ice has a track like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckFy3v4Fhr8

Road to riches? More like highway to hell!

okay that's amazing. like clearly they were going for a Rick Rubin thing with "Highway to Hell" but ended up on "Life is a Highway" instead. love it.

i guess closer to Jesus Jones with the busy, rave (?)-influenced beat... but the highway thing was just too compelling

This was a minor hit and a recurrent grocery store classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pavmG-YKLM

I posted about how much I liked the album in the Soda Stereo thread, but Dynamo definitely has some tracks that fit this vibe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2miCyVySnI

What was the message of "Black or White"? I just looked up the lyrics and ... I'm confused.

huh, never heard of Jude Cole before, though i'd bet i probably heard that song as a child. sort of the midpoint between this genre and "roots rock" I guess? with an extra splash of VH1 crooner energy.

apparently Cole started out in Moon Martin's backing band --- limited Googling suggests he may have played on "Rolene," but not the original "Bad Case of Loving You." following his late-80s moment in the spotlight, he went on to start a record label with Kiefer Sutherland (should have named it Stubble Records), marry Michelle Pfeiffer's sister Lori, and become manager and songwriter for the band Lifehouse, although apparently he has nothing to do with their one big hit.

They had two big hits!

Jude Cole was involved with the second one, per wikipedia

Yep.

I might hear "Time For Letting Go" among Cole singles more often in grocery stores.

Cole also had this Soulboi move in the early'90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2KPsBKvi8I

Is this too raw?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFcGRQROIt0

Dambuilders: "Shrine"

Joan As Policewoman is the violinist.

wow, i never registered that Lifehouse had a career post-"Hanging on a Moment." listening to "You and Me," it sounds just barely familiar, I must have heard it around somewhere along the way. Just wasn't plugged into this kind of stuff in 2005 I guess.

i'm digging "Shrine." too raw for this sound as-is, but seems like a great indie classic to me. there's definitely an alternate universe where they got signed and a producer seized on those big rhythm guitar blurts as the basis for a streamlined hit in this mode.

I can see Michael Penn's "No Myth" as a possible early example of this sound (from 1989). It's got the gated drum energy and big melodic guitar, though the tone is a bit more melancholic.

Another 1989 possible example: "So Alive" by Love and Rockets. Big gated drum groove.

"No Myth" feels like a good example of the "acoustic" version of this style, again towards the roots-rock end of thing. So weird and alien and overproduced once you start paying attention to the mix. One of nabisco's early comments continues to haunt me: "like a drum machine and a Very Corny Bassist playing out of a karaoke box while some guy played rhythm Strat as if there were actually a band around." Also feels like someone involved was going for a "Beatlesy" sound, or maybe a Cloud Nine sound. Bob Clearmountain does seem to have been involved.

"So Alive" also def in the general wheelhouse, closer to the INXS end of things. Just needs somebody to come in and paste a big slab of Rockman guitar strumming over it... you could almost just mix in the "3 Strange Days" part and get away with it.

"No Myth" and "Praying for Time" invented Sugar Ray and Sheryl Crow.

I think this fits in -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDWCWeOomKc

That's a great one.

King's X also big on the sunny/crunchy guitar-driven stomp vibe, e.g. this minor 1990 hit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzEPkbPgdn0

en vogue "free your mind" belongs in this category imo

Haha I loved that King's X song at the time.

omg is "Planes" one of these?

Haha I loved that King's X song at the time.

Still like it tbh

This also popped into my head -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVXjBMK3EkI

omg is "Planes" one of these?

Planes?

sensual aircraft

en vogue "free your mind" belongs in this category imo

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not that i totally understand the parameters of this thread but this song strikes me way more as “r&b + hair metal hangover a la ‘black cat’ by janet” or “featuring slash (even though the song doesn’t feature slash)”

tho if “black or white” counts then maybe i’m wrong