re the guardian piece, something to keep in mind if you're unfamiliar the (very different) norms of UK journalism to keep in mind: when the article doesn't hedge, it might be wrong. when the article hedges, it's probably wrong.
This piece uses a version of the word “appear” seven times, “suggest” five times, and has one big “assessed to be.” pic.twitter.com/b7Su4NeYvK— Isaac Chotiner (@IChotiner) July 15, 2021
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link
that could be offset by people who are inspired to vote for a woman, though -- she could get more women turnout
I believe this, or rather want to believe this, while also hearing a voice on my other shoulder saying "yeah right, let's ask President Hillary Clinton about that."
― trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link
different situations with different baggage of course
yeah, i mean, these questions are hard to answer. but i will say that i remember 2008 and the fact that obama was a black man didn't seem to hurt him. in fact, it helped make him a transformative and inspiring figure for many voters, including me.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link
so, yeah, women candidates face unique challenges and in 2016 misogyny played a big role in the animus we saw toward hillary. but this same dynamic might not manifest itself in the same way again. new election, new situation, new opportunity.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
For many reasons “first Black” President or Governor or X does not seem to map onto other demographics or identities.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
i don't know. first woman president seems inspiring to me.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link
Yeah, excitement over the first woman President is probably better predicted by whether or not you have a college degree than whether you’re a man or woman or any other information about you.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:09 (two years ago) link
that might be true. either way, it is hard to say how strong of a candidate harris will be if she runs in 2024. it depends on what the biden administration accomplishes.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
i know i'll be inspired when nikki haley becomes president
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
Boebert/Greene ftw
― trial by wombat (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
obviously it's no one's top criteria. i supported sanders in the primaries. i just think it's too simple to say she will be a lightning rod like hillary just because she is a woman and a POC.
― treeship., Thursday, 15 July 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link
xp boring, MDtrump. i guess i'm making the assumption the republican candidate will be trump. if not him, i guess it would tucker carlson. white america loves a motherfucker
― KEEP HONKING -- I'M BOBOING (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 15 July 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link
They may even run an actual banana.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 July 2021 22:15 (two years ago) link
The only thing that would actually surprise me is if they nominated a competent and relatively sane human being. Anyone/thing outside of that is definitely on the table.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 July 2021 22:21 (two years ago) link
my feeling about Harris is that, as someone who pays more attention to politics than is healthy, I have no sense of what her priorities are and what, if anything, she genuinely believes in. She also doesn't have an immediately recognizable persona in the way that Biden does. Makes me think Republicans would have a very easy time defining her on their terms and villainizing her.
the Russia thing feels a little too good to be true - my guess would be that Russia's involvement in the election is a bunch of scattered directives to underlings, a few minutes in meetings here and there as the primaries progress, etc, rather than some novelistic meeting in which the fiendish plan is devised.
― JoeStork, Friday, 16 July 2021 04:00 (two years ago) link