2008 Primaries Thread

"Wizard Is Hungry"

My memory is whispering to me that Bill lost a campaign for Arkansas governor. I could be wrong there.

they lost in 1980, due to a Cuban riot at Ft. Chaffee and his raising the cost of car tags.

Clinton got rid of his bearded advisors and Hillary dropped the Rodham from her official name. He was re-elected two years later.

Obama's primary race? What? Someone leaked his opponent Hull's divorce records w/allegations he abused his ex-wife and the guy's campaign tanked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Hull

ur annoying.

Jon that's awesome

Obama is the only person I've ever voted for who has won.

xxxp lol kudos jon

xp gtfo w/ that daria. Hull was NEVER a formidable opponent, just some loser with a ton of money.

ok, maybe he was a formidable opponent, but i was talking more about his ability to eat away at Hynes' lead the way he has Hillary's.

purely anecdotally, no one in Illinois liked Hull regardless of his money or possible wife beating tendencies.

daria, i really don't think you want to play "discredit the opposing candidate's previous election victories" lol

amusing that for all the complaints about how mean ILXors are to Hillary, it's the Hillary supporter lashing out with the attacks

oh this again

http://hoboken411.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/hoboken-politics-hillary-obama-germany.jpg

A carnival float carries large papier-mache effigies during the traditional Rose Monday carnival parade in Düsseldorf, February 4, 2008. The Rose Monday parades in Cologne, Mainz and Düsseldorf are the highlight of the German street carnival season.

?!?!!?

I was just surprised at the comment about Obama's primary win given that the frontrunner until a few weeks before the primary got torpedoed due to scandal about his personal life. I mean by all accounts he ran a good campaign but it's not really a test of your ability to go toe-to-toe with a strong candidate when the other guy implodes like that.

yeah and i was saying that i wasnt talking about hull, i was talking about his ability to take down a guy like hynes who is part of the chicago democrat machine.

see also all of illinois being all "obama? more like osama!" until the guy actually got on tv and people were like "ok we'll vote for you, even in rural parts of the state"

but your point is taken re: Hull.

note that i started out by conceding how much easier Obama's walk to the senate was than Hillary's.

hugs.

aw

wow, I'm getting ANGRY BLOG COMMENTS!

haha post them here

see also all of illinois being all "obama? more like osama!" until the guy actually got on tv and people were like "ok we'll vote for you, even in rural parts of the state"

Setting: My barber shop, last weekend:

PATRON: So, Jay, who ya gonna vote for?
BARBER: Oh, I know better than to get into that.
PATRON: Hillary or McCain might work, but I don't know about this Broke a Comma guy.

Yes, post, what are they angry about?

They accuse me of FAKING THE WIKIPEDIA thing!

well, didn't you?

"2008 presidential wartime election" <<< this

I could have edited wikipedia for effect but I mean FFS I just stole the image from a messageboard.

haha ok so someone else faked it

MAYBE? I was able to get it to nearly work by changing only a few letters and the width of my browser window, but they're acting like this is some big deal?

why do you hate freedom

guys what is happening with this jw/wonkette thing i'm late to the show

jw made out with obama and blamed 9/11

jw made smuckers outta wonkit

http://wonkette.com/354488/bible-code-wikipedia-game-reveals-who-did-911

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/3/2008/02/thumb463x_barack_did_wtc.jpg

(Detective work by Wizard Is Hungry.)

I am going to drink bourbon and ride the mechanical bull with wankette BYE

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/BarackObama-Basketball.JPEG

Andrew Sullivan, getting it. He understands that support for Obama needn't have anything to do with pretty words and palaver about change:

A meme is developing is that support for Obama is all emotion, fantasy, hysteria, etc. There's no question that the emotions behind Obama are powerful. And any fool can see why. His oratory does what oratory should. He is the greatest public speaker in American life since Reagan. And the shame and demoralization of the Bush-Cheney years - when we launched a war with reckless indifference to planning it, when we tortured prisoners and called it "enhanced interrogation", when we saw a government rendered so utterly useless that a hurricane made the US look like the third world, when conservatives added $32 trillion to the debt of the next generation, when a president made sophomoric jokes about not finding weapons of mass destruction he leveraged American global credibility on ... if you don't feel emotions in wanting to put this disgrace of an administration behind us, then you are not being rational.

But the strongest case for Obama is not emotional; it is as coolly rational as he is

In contrast, Larry Kudlow:

One of the troubles with American politics nowadays is that we don’t appreciate our military men and women enough. We don’t value their intelligence, their fitness, or their values. There was a time in American history — especially in the 19th century — when we held the military in great esteem. George Washington, of course, was one of our bravest generals, blessed with uncommon character and strength. Well, John McCain is a descendant of George Washington, and is a foot solder in his army. America yearns for exactly that kind of foot soldier. That’s why he’s gonna win.

McCain is a descendant of Washington?

did u know obama is related to dick cheney lolz.

McCain is a descendant of Washington?

It's not only the cherry tree that grows.

Eno should sell oblique strategy card decks to the GOP. It might be their most efficient option.

Barack Obama just drove by my work in a big assed motorcade. we went out on the street and waved. it was fun.

speaking of oblique strategy, there's this from the Guardian

The Clinton camp is expected to argue that she is better placed to deal with McCain on security and economics. Her team is also expected to bring up a testy exchange of letters between McCain and Obama in 2006.
McCain accused Obama of backtracking on a promise to support him over a bill to restrict lobbying. He accused Obama of "self-interested partisan posturing". Obama responded to say he was "puzzled" by McCain's outburst.
"It was sad to watch," said a Clinton campaign source. "He has no idea how to deal with McCain."

seems like if he dealt with him better, the Clinton team could release the letters as proof that Obama and McCain are best buddies

Pretty good photo, really:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080208/621obama_jt_up.jpg

Meantime, from the hit book series 'Where's Barack?'

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20080208/621obama09_barackinline.jpg

Does anyone know anything about the Alabama 3rd? Is this a winnable seat? Apparently a friend of a friend is making a serious bid it.

If you actually read that Obama v. McCain letter exchange, McCain's vitriol does seem to come out of the blue. Of course, I don't know much about the run-up to it, but Obama's the one who winds up looking the better man.

for it ...

Yeah, I posted the McCain-Obama letter reference last week or so on the "shit to stop McCain from becoming president" thread. It's an interesting point the Clinton camp raises. I took saying he was "puzzled" as, at the time, the equivalent of an academic saying they're "surprised" which is basically code for "WTF R U DOING?" Of course if you expect that you might want to run against McCain in an election.. perhaps Obama should have written his response differently because the whole exchange has crosscurrents with McCain hitting him a number of times on inexperience and he seems to concede McCain's points there. Of course McCain comes off like a hothead as well. Here they are:

obama.senate.gov/letter/060206-sen_obama_and_sen_mccain_exchange_letters_on_ethics_reform/

Where does Obama concede McCain's points about inexperience?