Give it up for the fucking Gin Blossoms

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Personally, I love "Allison Road". It may not ring as "true" or "genunie" as "Hey Jealousy", but it's damn close to being a perfect pop song.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, "Allison Road" is good stuff. Not one of my personal favorites but a pretty enough jangle-pop number.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

of all the alt-rock hitmakers who flopped on the followup and fell off the face of the earth, this was the second most surprising to me, after live)(who i guess didn't really fall off the face of the earth), and sorta vaguely smashing pumpkins.

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:12 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey Jealousy fucking rules. IT IS A KILLER JAM, NO DOUBT.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

I do love how the narrator/singer "Hey Jealousy" sounds completely defeated from the first line of the song, though. The "All I wanna do's be with you / Feel like I matter, too" line comes out like the self-directed rambling of a man who's at his wits end.

Also, the way he drags out "yeaars" (in "If I hadn't blown the whole thing years ago") a bit longer than the rest of the words is truly depressing. Maybe cuz he's so desperate for something that happened a long time ago. This is not some fresh wound. It's been festering.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

Right, exactly. He's drunk, he's not thinking clearly but he's being more honest than he has been in a very long time. This is his last chance and he knows it.

Thinking about it, this song actually has a lot in common with "There is a Light That Never Goes Out"--the driving theme, the sense of urgency and importance of the moment ("oh god, my chance has come at last"), the feeling of having nowhere else to turn, the doomed and hopeless romanticism. The main difference, I suppose, is that Morrissey couldn't be totally honest ("but then a strange fear gripped me and I just couldn't ask") but Wilson / Hopkins are, though the next day they'll probably wish they hadn't been.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

The sound of "Hey Jealousy" is pretty lightweight. As I said on that thread, the schism for me is Wilson/Hopkins as opposed to Westerberg/Westerberg.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

admittedly its also tainted by context, polish and croon.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

and do remember that I voted for "Hey Jealousy." So I ain't a hater.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't hear the lightweighted-ness at all, Anthony. No more than any other alternative rock song of the period, anyway--maybe it's a bit light compared to grungers like AIC or Soundgarden, but it's not much lighter than, say, Soul Asylum or Cracker. That's just the way most alternative rock sounded around '93, I think.

The guitar solo is one of the best parts of the song, also.

(yeah, I saw that you voted for it--really the fact that 10 people voted for it at all is sort of an accomplishment, even if it wasn't quite enough to get it on the list. It's a start.)

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

xpost:
along those lines... this song does adam durwitz kinda goes for the same thing on "Mr. Jones". the drunk, desperate man placing his hopes in the hands of a someone else's acceptance. granted it's a different scene, different moment, different attitude. durwitz takes it from wanting the blonde across the bar to wanting to become a "big big star". "when everybody loves me, i'm never gonna be lonely" is as tragic in its own way as grovelling drunk at the feet of your ex. just more narcisisticly so.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

remove "this song does" in my last post

john'n'chi cago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

When I heard that "Mr. Jones" was about Duritz's cock, it sort of ruined any chances of me taking the song seriously. I'll try to the next time I hear it, though.

I guess I sort of understand what you're saying, with the "believe in me / 'coz I don't believe in anything" break especially. That song always seemed a bit too good-timey to really be a cry of desperation, though. I think closer to "Hey Jealousy," in fact, is "A Long December"--it's much slower, but it sounds just as desperate and defeated. The video goes along way towards that as well.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

agreed re: "a long december". it's a great song and way better than "mr. jones".

part of what ended up getting cut in my editing was that "hey jealousy" does what "mr. jones" tries to do much better.

john'n'chicago, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'll agree with that.

Another song along the same lines is Soul Asylum's "Somebody to Shove," though it's a bit more hopeful sounding and (unfortunately) has a bit of a throwaway bridge and title. The chorus, though, fucking knocks me dead.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, hey, it was fifteen votes, not ten. Fucking righteous.

I smell revolution.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 23:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
I recently discovered their 1989 album Dusted. Wow, it's really good! It sounds like a long-lost Replacements album or something.

richard wood johnson (rwj), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 14:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...
bump! anyone heard Dusted? Get that shit!

richard wood johnson (rwj), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Anthony and the Good Doctor are quite right. Context is all -- "Til I Hear It From You" blasting in the Target kitchenware aisle at 3 pm inspires an appropriate but unexpected wistfulness.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

haha, just heard "Found Out About You" for the first time in about 15 years. Back then that song (and all the Gin Blossoms songs) were so ubiquitous and "alternative" they were a total joke, even to us 12 year olds. But you know what? It's some pretty OK pop. Of course I still smile my ass off whenever someone jokingly plays "Hey Jealousy" in a bar.

burt_stanton, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Haha I was hoping this thread'd remind me of the one really good song these guys had and hey, I told me just about straight away. Thanks, me.

Niles Caulder, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

HEY JEALOUSY

ian, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

total jam imo

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just heard they're playing down the street from my work at the Hard Rock Cafe during the Denver International Film Festival. True story.

tylerw, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

This band always seemed so dreary and same-y to me.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

love these guys

iatee, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

HEY JEALOUSY

― ian, Tuesday, November 3, 2009 9:28 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 22:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Can't believe I thought this would be close:

Taking Sides: Gin Blossoms vs. Toad The Wet Sprocket

Mark, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 02:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't forget baout 'found out about you'

quaq quao, sweetie (electricsound), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 02:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

hahaha found out about you came up twice on the radio recently, taunting me into buying a gin blossoms best of.

call all destroyer, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

good pop instincts and surprisingly well-recorded

call all destroyer, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

mental note: ridicule cad at next bos-fap

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol excellent revive by me

call all destroyer, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

the story about them I saw on VH1 was pretty sad: band member who writes most of their songs including biggest hit is kicked out of band for drinking problem, holds grudge against them and commits suicide.

Huh I was just reading about that on their wikipedia article, inspired by this thread revive - bummer, man.

atoms breaking heart (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 11 June 2010 22:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

...sorry to be a downer on lighthearted 90s nostalgia thread. Got to admit I was glad to youtube Hey Jealousy after all these years.

atoms breaking heart (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 11 June 2010 22:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

(Also obv my reading of the article was inspired by this thread, not the article itself. Time I was less awake and less on the internet.)

atoms breaking heart (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 11 June 2010 22:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

appreciating the off-balance progression in the chorus of "Found Out About You". This is a lot like "With Every Heartbeat" - you never really get a nice return to the tonic, except a fake one that has the loud 1 note on "Whispers at the bus stop" but is actually a IV chord. They could have done away with the bridge but it's 1992 after all so I forgive them.

skip, Thursday, 16 February 2012 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink


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