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Why not? I like LOTS of bands who get good press. And hate lots of bands who don't. It's got jackshit to do with it, Anthony. Though the "Pearl Jam Ripoff" stuff is an OK hook to hang their hat on. (Don't know where you get the "4 songs on Tiny Music" thing, though. I'm not even sure what album the songs I like are on - they're pretty spread out across most of their albums, though, I'm sure of that.)

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link

Thing is, especially after the bloated ballads they first hit with (which were STILL more bearable and swoopful and pretty than Pearl Jam's), there was a lot more glitter and bounce and flamboyance and wit in their sound than in most rock bands I was hearing (on the radio and otherwise) in those unbelievably dire mid '90s. And the one time I saw them live, Weiland was a really good dancer, too. And he had a more much alive VOICE than Reznor or Vedder, too. Which matters.

I mean, it's not like I've been defending LIVE or anybody. (Now THERE'S a band who deserves lots of blame for '90s alt rock radio...)

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:52 (twenty years ago) link

glitter and bounce and flamboyance and wit in their sound

If only they were Sparks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

God, you know, I never thought about NIN being anything like INXS, but now that you mention, I totally hear the similarity.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, they're both great! Woohoo!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

On the other hand, I don't "give a shit" about STP all THAT much, you know. I just had them on my mind this week because they finally put out a best-of (an event I anticipated many years ago -- in my book!) They never made an album I could play all the way through before now, and yeah, they're no Sparks. Lots of NON-'90s bands bounce WAY more.

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, doesn't most every multi-platinum artist with at least three or four albums eventually get a best-of disc at some point? I'm probably missing some context here, but it doesn't seem like the most profound prediction given that their first album sold 8 million copies.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe it's more a question these days of if you want to burn your own CDR of hits (a la Spencer's many collections) or just wait and see what will be suggested/created as an official one.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

dangit, you already fessed up to all the points I was gonna make (got distracted here at work) in yer last post (about them only being notewor. So rah.

Though I'll take "Jeremy" over all the early STP bloaters, it's got more drama & crescendo-action.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

wow, I type WAYYY too fast.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

>>doesn't most every multi-platinum artist with at least three or four albums eventually get a best-of disc at some point? I'm probably missing some context here, but it doesn't seem like the most profound prediction given that their first album sold 8 million copies.<<

Well, my point wasn't merely predicting that they'd HAVE a best of album! It was in my 500 (really 600) top metal albums book; I said that once STP put one out, it would probably DESERVE to be in the book (at least if it included four specific songs, two of which, as I mention above, it DOESN'T have by the way). But they had no albums at the TIME that I thought were good enough. Hope that makes sense....

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

And I have yet to burn a CDR of anything, Ned. I'm way too lazy, and too spoiled, and too much living in an age of extinct technology.

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

I'd actually be more excited about a Bush best-of if they could find away to replace Gavin Rossdale's vocals with, I dunno, anybody's. Right now I'm gonna say Jad Fair.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

at least Jad Fair doesn't add a fake rasp.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

I'm way too lazy, and too spoiled, and too much living in an age of extinct technology.

Hey, I live with some very extinct books, I know the feeling!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck am I late joining this thread. See why jury duty sucks?

Chuck spake: Gravity Kills? -- they were doing the industrial rock thing as pop metal, pretty much -- Alex in NYC (or Alex in Manhattan, sorry, I always forget which) should really check out "Falls Apart," which sounds kinda like Killing Joke.

It's not Alex in Manhattan, it's Alex in MAIN-hattan, which is a town in Germany, I believe, and we are two entirely different individuals.

Gravity Kills? I get them all mixed up with Stabbing Westward and God Lives Underwater and all those other sub-NIN bands. I can't remember if it was Gravity Kills or Stabbing Westward who opened for Killing Joke in `94, but in any event they were dire. Moreover, with the possible exception of late, lamented and missing-in-action band Belfegore, I'm not really interested in bands who sound like Killing Joke. I mean, why eat beef jerky when you could eat Filet Mignon, eh?

As far as the Stone Temple Pederasts go,...well, I mean, it's kinda the same thing. Why would someone waste time listening to STP when thy could opt for the definite article? Sure, they wrote the occaissional decent tune (I didn't mind "Vaseline," and "Sex Type Thing" does have a great riff), but I'd much prefer to listen to, say, Soundgarden. Also, way too much drama in that band....and not even interesting drama at that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, now that Chris Cornell's been brought up I'd TOTALLY put up with a Bush best-of.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:18 (twenty years ago) link

Belfefore, though, ARE yet more evidence of my cool German accent rule.

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

gore, I mean!

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

And that God Lives Underwater video featuring the Japanese guy winning the hot dog eating contest was ALMOST as wacky as "All That I Wanted" by Belfegore, at least if you turned the sound down.

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

Belfefore, though, ARE yet more evidence of my cool German accent rule.

Sounds like a rule I'd agree with, Chuck. And yes...both of those videos (Belfegore's manic clip for "All that I Wanted" and the backwards Japanese guy eating in the God Lives Underwater clip) can induce nauseau.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Wouldn't a Bush best of basicallly be an EP - singles from Sixteen Stone and "Swallowed."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

add a song or two each from the two later albums and well, yeah!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

They had two more albums? I thought they never recorded anything after the (horrific) 'electronica' remix album.

If I could go back in time, I'd tell 15-year old me that someday he would realize Sixteen Stone was better than Nevermind, just to see the look on my/his face.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

Well, it'd have "Greedy Fly," the remix of "Mouth" from that soundtrack, and probably the lead singles from the last two records. Just saying.

That's ten songs right there. They'd probably include the failed follow-up singles from the last two records and a new song or two, I'm sure.

They really should put out a NIN best-of. That'd be good...it'd be something like this, probably - Head Like A Hole, Down In It, Sin, March of the Pigs, Closer, Hurt, Wish, Happiness In Slavery, Suck, Burn, Perfect Drug, Into the Void, We're In This Together. That's pretty tight. They'd probably find a way to fuck it up, though.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

You missed "The Day The Whole World Went Away".

(I will not bring up "Starfuckers" because that song is SHITTY SHITTY.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah. Those two songs would probably be included. And maybe "Piggy" and "Terrible Lie."

I've always hated "Terrible Lie."

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, greatest hits EPs in general would be a really good idea. I think Echo and the Bunnymen had one once. Plus I remember seeing a six-song Molly Hatchet thing in truckstop a couple years ago; seemed to be part of a series that existed only for truckstops!

chuck, Friday, 21 November 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

Aw man, I love "Terrible Lie"! It's not as good as "The Only Time", though.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

"The Only Time" is much better. I think that song was Trent attempting to write his own "Darling Nikki."

How does that line go about the devil wanting to fuck him in the back of his car?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

I'm drunk.
And right now i'm so in love with you.
And i don't want to think too much about what we should or shouldn't do.
Lay my hands on Heaven and the sun and the moon and the stars.
While the devil wants to fuck me in the back of his car.

Nothing quite like the feel of something new.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

I would buy a Linkin Park best-of EP this second.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 22 November 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
scott's review on village voice (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/9941/seward.php) reminds me very much of the Tool review on pitchfork:
http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/t/tool/lateralus.shtml

pitchfork's reminds me of some of my friends.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 15 March 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
REVIVE

My fuckin' doorman gave me a CD-R of Velvet Revolver a couple of weeks back, and if I'm not mistaken sports a Stone Temple Pilots tattoo (the boy needs lots of help). While I cannot really understand how people could get that into the shenanigans of the Stone Temple Pilots, I did -- in all fairness -- find myself quite enjoying an airring of "Down" back to back with "Vaseline" whilst fruitlessly searching for an elusive Coil disc at the Virgin Megastore yesterday (gosh, I'm so pathetic -- in my attempt to confess a guilty pleasure, I feel the strenuous need to point out that I was searching for an arguably much hipper disc....god, I'm such a fucking cliche). In any event, I must concede that STP did have a way with big fuckin' hooks.

I'll still take Soundgarden's "Big Dumb Sex" over their "Sex Type Thing" any day of the week (though it does have a damn nice riff).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 8 April 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sex Type Thing" is a great song for romantic nights, especially if said nights include strobe lights, an aluminium baseball bat, and lots of foam mattresses.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I swear when I first heard the chorus to "Big Bang Baby", I thought it was Lush. Gawd, I love that song.

john'n'chicago, Friday, 8 April 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Down is fucking good too

joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Sunday, 28 August 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Even though Pavement ragged on them I just realized that both bands have semi-famous songs that steal hooks from Jim Croce. How ironic.

Cunga (Cunga), Sunday, 28 August 2005 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought it was determined that Malkmus was kidding in that song.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Sunday, 28 August 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

yeah, malkmus was kidding. but he was kidding in a manner that attempted to deride stone temple pilots

as for my thoughts on stp,

'purple' is a classic of alternative rock. all the right ingredients coming together, and quite a departure from the mediocre and muddled 'core'.

'tiny music' is an odd affair indeed. some classy beatles-esque pop-rock ('lady picture show') and some genuinely fun tunes throughout, but it just somehow fails to leave much of a... mark.

'no. 4' is rubbish. well ok, 'church on tuesday' might have been ok had the chorus not been repeated a thousand times.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 13 March 2008 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Stpfinalcover.jpg

Stone Temple Pilots is the sixth studio album by American rock band Stone Temple Pilots. The album will be released on May 25, 2010 on Atlantic Records.

The album cover incorporates the artwork Peace Fingers Red, designed by Shepard Fairey. According to Kretz, "It was just something to kind of symbolize more of our attitude right now.... We definitely are in a really good place right now as a band and really want to spread some peace and love across the world as much we can. We're going to do it through music and the celebration of rock and roll."

1. Between the Lines
2. Take a Load Off
3. Huckleberry Crumble
4. Hickory Dichotomy
5. Dare If You Dare
6. Cinnamon
7. Hazy Daze
8. Bagman
9. Peacoat
10. Fast As I Can
11. First Kiss on Mars
12. Maver

Bee OK, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link

this has leaked tonight and i'm pretty excited about hearing it.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link

This fucking band.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link

lol, come on now. they just want to spread some peace and love across the world as much they can.

And they're gonna do it through music and the celebration of rock and roll.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 19 May 2010 05:48 (thirteen years ago) link

don't judge them harshly.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 19 May 2010 05:49 (thirteen years ago) link

No. 4 is actually a real solid album, though it took me a pretty long while to find it out...best track is probably Glide...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNk-JnRwihU

huge part of my obsolescence (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link

lol 90s

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 19 May 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link

"Hickory Dichotomy"! song title of the year.

some dude, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.jocknroll.co.uk/images/souphotwired.jpg

mark e, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i quite like the single.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 19 May 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link


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