Defend the Indefensible: psychologically raw films about sexual obsession

I probably give some of these types of films too much the benefit of the doubt.

yeah exotica isn't anything like any of these, despite the american cover art

There were a lot of this kind of films people would rent at a video store where I worked, I think just bcz they were too embarrassed to go into a porn store? Bcz they were obv just looking for boobies. Popular ones:

• Sex & Lucia (has 'sex' in the title)
• Caligula (I kind of felt for these soon-to-be-disappointed thwarted masturbators)
• Wild Things
• Naked Tai-Chi

Okay maybe only one of these counts as title question?

exotica is bullshit!! canadians into strippers? and a rare animal smuggling ring? is that what happens, i don't remember. and the dialogue is like an episode of dr. katz.

does à nos amours belong on this thread? it's really good

the only other film mentioned here i can recall seeing is closer (barf)

Good "sex movies": Don't Look Now and Late Marriage (recent semi-obscure foreign flick with one of the best, most natural sex scenes ever.)

maybe Sex & Lucia??

-- Hubie Brown, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:04 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

late marriage is amazing, cool tosee someone cite it here

are we talking about films like Porky's

OTM on Late Marriage's sex scenes, I still remember them pretty vividly despite only having seen it once in the theater. Wow, that's a pretty forgotten little movie... from SEVEN years ago, holy crap.

Don't Look Now... I'm not really down with that one, but I remember being really annoyed at the staging of the clumsy sex scenes when I was watching it.

Yeah, it was all "WOW REALISTIC SEX" at the time, hmm, realistic bouncy castle more like!

maybe Sex & Lucia??

I always liked its foreign title more, which was "Lucia y El Sexo". I keep imagining there being some guy, possibly a superhero, who is known as El Sexo.

So, nothing to do with http://www.lovefilm.com/lovefilm/images/products/6/16336-large.jpg then?

tie me up tie me down - almodovar
dont move - with penelope cruz.

Exotica is amazing - esp. with it's buildin- narrative techniques, where everything that starts blurry comes together neatly tied in the end.best in second viewing.

Sex & Lucia only had quite a lot of sex in the first half hour or so right? Then it settles down after that, from what I remember, to tell its story.

Caught a bit of The Dreamers on TV a couple of nights ago and it seemed much better 2nd time around. I think I saw more connections between the outside and the inside.

The Piano Teacher is not that strange given Haneke's bio (he ws thinking of becoming a classical musician wasn't he?), its just about the world of the conservatoire and the life that ppl can potentially love out in that world (or at least it plays to certain stereotypes of it)

In the Realm of the Senses is a very great movie. I must read the BFI book on it (and I want to see Cruel Story of Youth, which came out recently on DVD)

So far in, and no Shortbus?

From the perspective of living in France, where even the yoghurt ads on TV tend towards the erotic, the question is rather why there are so few naked bodies in American movies? Personally I'd go for more sex and nudity and less violence.

fuck you, how's that for more sex?

I don't have the faintest what "cauterizing the senses" might involve but relationships that 1) were genuinely dangerous to my physical health and 2) did a fucking number on my identity, umm, yeah, anybody who hasn't had one or two of those hasn't really lived IMO

So, can we go back to this and point out how ridiculously untrue this is?

that HBO series "Tell Me You Love Me" i kinda likes it though.

you haven't lived until you've had somebody tell you that you haven't lived

"Shortbus" is the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. I think when one of the characters mentioned 9/11 steam started shooting out of my ears cartoon style.

I don't think "The Idiots" fits the bill here at all. I like "The Idiots," I just don't think it's this type of movie.

I forgot "Late Marriage" existed until seeing it mentioned on this thread and remembering what an amazing movie it was.

I think the sex scenes in these movies are always really funny, where people smash shit/knock stuff off tables/rip clothes off/gasp for breath. It never, ever, ever seems the least bit sexy.

I'd take any interchangeable Shannon Whirry/Shannon Tweed/Andrew Stevens "Animal Intstincts" "Body of Influence" "Mirror Images II" 90s VHS erotic thriller over any of these.

What about "Betty Blue"? People seem to have both a literal and intellectual boner for that movie. I didn't really get it, though.

It could happen.

i liked shortbus a lot but it doesn't have anything to do with this thread.

swimming pool had HQ boobage, love that flick. i didn't really "get it" though.

i liked secretary! it played s&m psychology for laffs, and it turned 'touching' and even sappy.

secretary is a great movie

I haven't really lived, apparently. I KNEW IT!

The first film that came to mind is Roeg's disturbing Bad Timing.

really, most of my "relationships" (God, I hate that usage) have been called off bcz I'm all NO DRAMA, plz. Haven't got the time.

If he was really hot I might cut more slack.

The Center of the World is OK and has a woman putting a lollipop in her yinyang.

Fear, with Marky Mark and Reese Witherspoon, is the best movie about the 90s.

i have seen this fear

It's like Urban Outfitters and the Gap fighting for this teenage girl's soul.

quite a roller coaster ride, as i recall

zactly, my man, that's a good sex scene.

i need to see late marriage again. not that it really belongs on this thread

woah it's molly parker in center of the world?! that's goin on the q

Roger Ebert, Chicago Sun-Times
"You want real? This movie shows you real." ... Read More

A.O. Scott, The New York Times
"The self-consciously rough, low-budget surface of The Center of the World can't disguise the slick cheapness at its heart." ... Read More

Mick LaSalle, San Francisco Chronicle
"Mindless and prurient." ... Read More

i just netflixed it.

xp (late marriage)

"Center of the World" is credited From A Story By Wang, Miranda July, Paul Auster And Siri Hustvedt.

because of the Miranda July

woah it's molly parker in center of the world?! that's goin on the q

-- gff, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:14 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i know i know the widow garret omg rawr

what's great about the sex scenes in Don't Look Now isn't the sex itself so much as how its positioned as a fond immediate memory Christie and Sutherland have as they're getting dressed afterward.

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obv. we have two topics going here -- that of the thread title and just non-porn movies with interesting sex scenes

haha apptly molly parker has a whole career of this stuff

Kissed (1996)
Ever since she was a young girl, Sandra Larson (Molly Parker) has been fascinated with the darkness of death. But when she takes a part-time job as an embalmer at a funeral parlor, her obsession with the afterlife and the study of necrophilia begins to consume her every desire. As her boyfriend (Peter Outerbridge) struggles to relate to her new lifestyle, he jumps through hoops to prove he'll do anything for love.

Bliss (1997)
Joseph (Craig Sheffer) and Maria (Sheryl Lee) are a young married couple in serious trouble. Although they love each other, Maria has difficulty opening up to Joseph, and, after 6 months of marriage, he makes the unhappy discovery that she's been unable to have an orgasm with him. Enter Balthazar (Terence Stamp), an unlicensed sex therapist who agrees to initiate Joseph into the mysteries of tantric sex that could save his marriage.

In the Shadows (1999)
Cash-strapped waitress Cynthia (Molly Parker) takes a job caring for moneyed cancer patient Eleanor Dunston (Joely Richardson). When she shows an interest in Cynthia's boyfriend, Buck (Aden Young), Cynthia persuades him to pose as her half brother so he can seduce the dying woman into leaving him her fortune. Writer-director Meg Richman transplants Henry James' classic novel The Wings of the Dove to Seattle's 1990s grunge scene.

Suspicious River (2000)
A fatalistic hotel receptionist (Molly Parker) who exhibits many self-destructive tendencies is compulsively drawn into a dark netherworld of crime. After playing the prostitute to several willing guests in the hotel where she works, she spirals into a heated romance with a sadistic lodger who allows her to be gang-raped. Soon, it seems that her behavior might lead her to the same fate as her mother, who was brutally murdered.

jesus christ

Writer-director Meg Richman transplants Henry James' classic novel The Wings of the Dove to Seattle's 1990s grunge scene.

wow

ha

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Writer-director Meg Richman transplants Henry James' classic novel The Wings of the Dove to Seattle's 1990s grunge scene.

Writer-director Meg Richman transplants Henry James' classic novel The Wings of the Dove to Seattle's 1990s grunge scene.

Writer-director Meg Richman transplants Henry James' classic novel The Wings of the Dove to Seattle's 1990s grunge scene.

totally. molly parker is terrible.

that list is like everything wrong with english-canadian cinema

still, would smash