― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 27 September 2002 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 27 September 2002 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brian badword (badwords), Friday, 27 September 2002 18:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
On the plus side 'though there were also The Associates, Aztec Camera, Belle & Sebastian, Bluebells, Blue Nile, Delgados, Fire Engines, Alex Harvey, Josef K, Mogwai, Mull Historical Society, The Scars....
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 27 September 2002 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 27 September 2002 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not at all. Many non-Scots would agree with you. James Yorkston and the Athletes - they're Scottish, I think, and damn good, too. i also like Teenage Fanclub, Jesus and Mary Chain , Belle and Sebastian, Primal Scream, Beta Band, Boards of Canada and the Delgados.
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 27 September 2002 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gygax!, Friday, 27 September 2002 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mbosa, Friday, 27 September 2002 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― david h (david h), Friday, 27 September 2002 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not even a Scottish one.
― david h (david h), Friday, 27 September 2002 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― simon 803 (simon 803), Saturday, 28 September 2002 01:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 28 September 2002 01:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― unknown or illegal user (doorag), Saturday, 28 September 2002 02:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
All together now:"Let the winds blow high, Let the winds blow low, Down the street in my kilt I go And all the ladies say hello Donald where's yer troosers?!"
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Saturday, 28 September 2002 03:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brian badword (badwords), Saturday, 28 September 2002 06:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― david h (david h), Saturday, 28 September 2002 08:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Paul Cunningham, Saturday, 28 September 2002 10:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chris sallis, Saturday, 28 September 2002 16:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― david h (david h), Saturday, 28 September 2002 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 28 September 2002 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
hahahah I lie really.
― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 28 September 2002 17:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― david h (david h), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― david h (david h), Saturday, 28 September 2002 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
Best new band I've heard for years. Certainly the most original. www.lapsuslinguae.co.uk has a few mp3s worth having.
They knock seven bells out of each other live, which is entertaining.
― Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Saturday, 28 September 2002 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 29 September 2002 00:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― david h (david h), Sunday, 29 September 2002 08:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
it's called having fun. remember that? i'm way to old to be part of any scene or want to partake in arch ironic anti-coolness. i do it because i love it. you are fully entitled to hate it but i KNOW that it has been a very positive force in this city.
by the way, i've never seen kid606 so you must be mistaking me for someone else. but thanks for giving me much mirth on a grey sunday afternoon.
and gygax - cheers for the spamming heads up!
― twitch, Sunday, 29 September 2002 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― joan vich (joan vich), Sunday, 29 September 2002 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
Simon, do you definitely mean the *first* 4 ? Most ILM posters on this topic mean the 4 that end with 'New Gold Dream' ie albums 2 - 5: are you actually including 'Life In A Day'?(personally I only rate albums 2, 3 & 4 - I thought they had started to curdle on NGD, and never bothered with it.)
― Ray M (rdmanston), Sunday, 29 September 2002 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
sorry bout vitriol, haha, my fingers spool out a lot faster than wheezy brain can run.
― david h (david h), Monday, 30 September 2002 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 22 October 2003 11:49 (twenty years ago) link
That hurt, I feel better now. I piss on your Manchester and Liverpool you steenking Eenglish peegs.
Funny reading the old posts about Optimo btw.
New great Scottish bands:
Sons and DaughtersMother and the AddictsThe Fratellis (are they? I don't actually know)who else?
― lexurian (lexurian), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link
just to answer this four years late - i don't have a clue what i was on about.
x post.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexurian (lexurian), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Nae Ganger thread at all! That's pure shite! Awesome band. Can we start them a thread?
― krakow, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link
What's wrong with Big Country? They managed to sound archetypically Scottish like nobody before or since has ever come close to, and "The Crossing" is one of very few cases where Steve Lillywhite did actually do an excellent production job.
Can something be archetypal, while at the same time be something nobody before or since has done?
― sonofstan, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
second the ganger love! 'hammock style' one of the greatest (not to mention sexiest) albums of all time. was lucky enough to see them once before they vanished. just gobsmackingly good...
― m the g, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Do you have 'Canopy', the last EP/album? If so, any good? I've always loved Hammock Style and just got Fore today finally, which has some awesomeness on it too so far.
― krakow, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Canopy is okayish, no way near as great as they were live though. Never heard Hammock, the only other one I have has a bike rider on the front.
― The bugger in the short sleeves (NickB), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
The one with the bike rider is Fore, a collection of vinyl tracks and stuff.
― krakow, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, that'd be it then! Remind me who Ganger had connections to?
― The bugger in the short sleeves (NickB), Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
fore is good, hammock unspeakably great, canopy...tbh I haven't heard it for ages, as I found it pretty disappointing when it came out. maybe my first impressions were unfair, coloured as they were by hammock love.
the bands who recorded fore and hammock style are very different from each other though - both in terms of lineup and sound. fore is perhaps stranger, wirier, more indebted to tago mago. hammock style is lush and muscular and groinally cosmic.
can't believe I just typed the words 'groinally cosmic'.
the original drummer was in bis; craig went on to be in aereogramme and then went solo; natasha formed fuck-off machete; saxophonist caroline kraabel has worked with a bunch of people and, most notably from my perspective, did some cool field improv shows on resonance FM.
― m the g, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Sci-Fi Steven from Bis was the original drummer/keyboardist in Ganger. He left after the first few vinyl EP/single releases. Craig B of Aereogramme joined on guitar/vocals after the 'Fore' era, when they went on to do 'Hammock Style'. They're the 'big name' connections I know of.
― krakow, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Great minds and that...
― krakow, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
... at the dual posting I mean.
― krakow, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Idlewild winning
― Sonny Uplands (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
hilarious
― I'm losing my Vitamin C (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
He's a jolly fellow
― Sonny Uplands (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
He was probably laughing because Idlewild beat a band a member of his family is in.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Tell you what: the Stark Palace LP (which is basically songs from their last three EPs, but fuck it) should be on that list too. Absolutely fucking superb. Should be a review floating about on Sunday.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Any love here for Dawson, Nyah Fearties or Shlebie?
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link
if numbers 1 and 50 could be swapped in that list then it'd be a damn sight more otm
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I started a Nyah Fearties thread years ago that is really too brief. Nyah FeartiesAnd there's a couple of other threads with stuff about Dawson. The "Bogshed - Kings of Swing" thread and another thread that's something like "Growing Up in Scotland".
― everything, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
LJ's definitive Mogwai ranking: Happy Songs >>> Rock Action >>>> Young Team >> Government Commissions > CODY > The Hawk Is Howling > EP +6 >>>>>>>> Mr Beast
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Government Commissions gets ahead of CODY because its version of Like Herod is probably the most righteous (if not quite best) thing Mogwai have done
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 8 December 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Young Team > Ten Rapid > Govt Commissions > EP+6 > Cody > Happy Songs > Rock Action > Mr Beast
Dunno where to put Zidane as I've barely listened to it.
― blue_eyes chrono_trigger dirty engineer glasses (onimo), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 08:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, missed Hawk is Howling, put that near the bottom somewhere.
Young Team > Ten Rapid > My Father, My King > Govt Commissions > EP+6 > Cody > Rock Action > Hawk is Howling >>>>>>>>>> Happy Songs > Mr Beast
though not an album, 'MFMK' surely has to be in there on the basis of its awesomeness. 'cody' would have been higher, but its version of 'xmas/christmas steps' is a poor cousin to the one on 'EP+6'/'no education'. there's very little space between 'cody', 'rock action' and 'hawk', but then a big drop-off to 'happy songs'/'beast'.
never heard zidane.
you sen this, mogwai people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DD5sy_EnvE
― m the g, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 08:47 (fourteen years ago) link
Haven't seen it and can't at work but I'll take a look later, cheers.
― blue_eyes chrono_trigger dirty engineer glasses (onimo), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 08:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I still don't think Mogwai have produced an album that even touches how good they actually are as a band, or comes close to encapsulating their potential. I love everything they've released, but I don't feel any of it is particularly solid supporting evidence for my frothing-mouthed enthusiasm about them.
I like that Burning trailer a lot. High hopes for that.
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link
I still don't think Mogwai have produced an album that even touches how good they actually are as a band
This is completely OTM and I realise it more the older I get. Their two most concise albums really did capture SOMETHING, though. They forced themselves to be more concentrated, and they played around with electronics in a joyful, non-mundane manner.
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link
young team still the best tho
― Pedro Paramore (jim), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Young Team is excellent and primal and influential but it's also messy and unfocused in a way that doesn't suit their precise build-and-bust dynamic. They're a band that needs regimentation; being all over the place isn't where they're comfortable. (It's actually their biggest limitation, and the reason I don't love them as much as I used to.) There's just this sense that they threw everything together without organising the album; they're an albums band, and that album could have used a bit of fat-trimming. I'd get rid of half the tracks! The shorter half, obviously. Doesn't need that padding.
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link
yes!herodtracyrusi2isatan
^^^bang
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
i know this isn't an album per se, but imho it was mogwai's finest moment if you treat it as one:
http://www.discogs.com/Mogwai-EP-6/master/205749
― ~~dark energy~~ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i probably rated ep+6 a bit low but again that's because it's a sprawling, unfocused document of individual moments rather than an album piece...plenty of great stuff on it, albeit not as great as the greatest young team stuff
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
it also has 'stereodee' which is great in theory, and great in practice for about 5 minutes, but then it becomes a bit of a chore. i guess the speed-garage bit at the end is your reward
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i know this isn't an album per se, but imho it was mogwai's finest moment if you treat it as one
I can never see those three EPs as anything other than three very separate, very different recordings: documents of a snapshot of my life. I remember going out to buy 4-Satin in Edinburgh, calling in to see a friend on the way home from Avalanche on Lady Lawson Street, getting unexpectedly bongoed on his surprisingly high-quality weed, and finally getting home to listen to it some 10 hours later, and thinking it was THE SINGLE GREATEST RECORDED ARTEFACT IN HISTORY, etc. My flatmate wasn't overly impressed with the volume I was playing it at, nor with the way I couldn't stop giggling at her when she shouted at me. Happy days.
The Christmas Steps EP is the authentic soundtrack to me moving to Glasgow: just a total fucking rush. The Stanley Kubrick EP is the authentic soundtrack to me moving into a damp hovel with mushrooms growing out the walls and thinking: "Thank god for music."
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
can i just say that my slimmed-down young team works beautifully as a double-side single LP
― 102. LJ: British. 5. (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm not sure I agree all that much with that list, but I think it was voted for by readers?
Happy that "Any Other City" is in there, if a bit too low, and very pleasantly surprised the Laeto's 'Zwoa' is in there. A fine record, very different to their debut 'Make Us Mild'. There's been a third record ('LP3') in the works for a few years now, what I've heard is great but I'm not sure it will ever get finished.
Oh, Foil's 'Never Got Hip' brought a smile to my face there, mostly for "Reviver Gene".
― MichaelJLambert, Thursday, 10 December 2009 05:19 (fourteen years ago) link
So, er ... all this chat about Any Other City being "robbed" and everything ... this is all a big joke or something, yeh? Only I listened to it today, for the first time ever, and fuck me if it won't be the last. The C86isms are OK -- sometimes surprisingly decent -- but nothing to write home about; seriously, though, those vocals! I know I'm prone to sweeping exaggeration but that might be one of the most fucking horrible noises I've ever heard in my life :o
― What do you want? This ain't an egg shop (grimly fiendish), Thursday, 24 December 2009 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
only one of these records is actually any good
50. Lapsus Linguae - You Got Me Fraiche49. Funk D'Void - Volume Freak48. Dead Or American - Ends47. We Were Promised Jetpacks - These Four Walls46. De Rosa - Mend45. James Yorkston - When The Haar Rolls In44. Camera Obscura - My Maudlin Career43. Found - This Mess We Keep Reshaping42. Christ. - Metamorphic Reproduction Miracle41. Laeto - Zwoa40. Sons & Daughters - Love The Cup39. The Delgados - Hate38. James Yorkston - The Year Of The Leopard37. Y'All Is Fantasy Island - Rescue Weekend36. Foil - Never Got Hip35. Half Cousin - The Function Room34. Withered Hand - Good News33. The Beta Band - Hot Shots II32. Butcher Boy - React Or Die31. Half Cousin - Iodine30. Macrocosmica - Art of the Black Earth29. Life Without Buildings - Any Other City28. The Phantom Band - Checkmate Savage27. The Twilight Sad - Forget The Night Ahead26. Mogwai - Rock Action25. Arab Strap - The Last Romance24. Aerogramme - My Heart Has A Wish That You Would Not Go23. Idlewild - The Remote Part22. Biffy Clyro - Puzzle21. Belle & Sebastian - Dear Catastophe Waitress20. Malcolm Middleton - Into The Woods19. Franz Ferdinand - Franz Ferdinand18. Uncle John & Whitelock - There Is Nothing Else17. King Creosote - Rocket DIY16. Meursault - Pissing On Bonfires/Kissing With Tongues15. De Rosa - Prevention14. Mogwai - Happy Songs For Happy People13. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out Of This Country12. Arab Strap - The Red Thread11. Aerogramme - Sleep And Release10. Mogwai - Mr Beast9. Boards of Canada - The Campfire Headphase8. The Delgados - The Great Eastern7. Arab Strap - Monday At The Hug & Pint6. King Creosote - KC Rules OK5. Boards of Canada - Geogaddi4. Frightened Rabbit - The Midnight Organ Fight3. Primal Scream - XTRMNTR2. The Twilight Sad - Fourteen Autumns and Fifteen Winters1. Idlewild - 100 Broken Windows
― I am banman (cozwn), Thursday, 24 December 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
you are both talking complete crap
― happy christmas your ass (electricsound), Friday, 25 December 2009 08:24 (fourteen years ago) link
david scott should leave scotland, he never gets any respect. i always thought it was the vocals on 'any other city' that made it anything other than run of the mill.
― keythhtyek, Friday, 25 December 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Why u braek hart? Any Other City is my favorite record of the decade, from Scotland or anywhere else.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 December 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link
I was talking crap; only 2 of those records then
― I am banman (cozwn), Friday, 25 December 2009 17:18 (fourteen years ago) link
just a wee joke, let's be cool
― twentysomething fuck (cozwn), Friday, 25 December 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Frightened Rabbit take a bewildering early leadhttp://www.scotsman.com/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?PageID=81565
― PaulTMA, Friday, 29 January 2010 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VQbFP5fqfM
lol at this video.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
http://thequietus.com/articles/06709-remember-remember
pure remember remember street teamed out my nut.
― you've got male (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 4 August 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
errors new album stream
http://drownedinsound.com/news/4144367-album-stream--errors-have-some-faith-in-magic
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/popstar-barman-hipsway-frontman-grahame-6977329
― Cosmic Slop, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link
Anyone see that BBC2 documentary last night about Scottish post-punk? Not bad but I barely know any of them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 16 April 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link
I like Dr Cosmo's Tape Lab
― afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 16 April 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
Cannot recommend Michael Train's "Kilt By Death" compilation more strongly for a thorough overview of Scottish punk and post-punk esoterica.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 16 April 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
Turkey Bones and the Wild Dogs innit?Mad Bad Missouri Buffalo
― Stevolende, Sunday, 16 April 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
I enjoyed 'Big Gold Dream', didn't mind that it concentrated on the Fast/Pop:Aural and Postcard associated scenes, plenty to find interesting. Can see that it's maybe a bit narrow for general viewing.
― michaellambert, Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link
Not bad but I barely know any of them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 16 April 2017 14:46
That made it sound like a criticism, I didn't mean it like that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 16 April 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link