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rumor has it this thread lacks of humor, especially in posts that tries hard.

I'm American, Thursday, 9 September 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm less interested now.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it should be shaped like a heart with arteries coming out of it.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hey i wonder what could possibly be on that dvd to cause that sort of fuss, from the NARM guy? is there even a decnt dvd out there aside from the 'live tonight sold out' one? f'r instance is this even going to contain unplugged stuff, the mtv awards rape me/lithium thing etc.

there can't be many more canon-y bands that r so underrepresented out there in dvd world.

but this idea of not being able to buy the dvds that come with box sets (see also talking heads boxx/dvd) *outside* of the box sets is starting to annoy me, and i fear it will only get worse.

piscesboy, Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

If I were the bass player i wouldn't really want people to see me get hit on the head with my bass like he did that one time. That was painful. Although it is a good lesson for future rockers. DON'T throw your guitar staight up over your head!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry, but I've seen that performance many times and it just looks like typical Novoselic clowning, I've seen much better acting on low-grade wrestling programmes.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

really? it looked like he bonked himself good. I did see it a long time ago though.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I've dislocated my jawn from the yawning this news has inspired.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Although it is a good lesson for future rockers. DON'T throw your guitar staight up over your head!

unless you are prince. at this year's rock hall of fame inductions, he ended his performance by throwing his guitar straight over his head and walking offstage. as far as one could tell from the tv camera angle, it never came down.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

If it's as great as "You Know You're Right" ..! ... I don't fucking care.

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the box should be shaped like a vagina.

dysøn (dyson), Thursday, 9 September 2004 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Im with Alex on this one.

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Constant yammering about how boring Nirvana is is more boring than Nirvana.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The only Nirvana product I want at this point is a sanctioned version of the "Roma" bootleg. The rest, they can keep.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I had it on tape but accidently taped over it 2 or 3 years ago and am still rueing that day.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Constant yammering about how boring Nirvana is is more boring than Nirvana.

It's not Nirvana that are boring, it's the fact that people are still moaning on and on and on about Nirvana that's FUCKING boring. How much further can the barrel be scraped?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

OTM

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Killing Joke.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

KISS.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Ok, that's kind of jerky. But how is Nirvana fandom any worse than fandom of any other band that's not around any more. (And yes, I know that KJ and Kiss are "still around," but I'm sure there are plenty of other bands that you still like that have broken up.)

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

True, but you don't see me fuckin' lighting candles on any goddamn shrines to them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, it's just something that we have to learn to except, like cell-phones everywhere and half-shirts on ladies who have no business wearing them.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS!!!!


(oh, and nobody bitches about My Bloody Valentine box set threads...?)

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Whatever, this is a silly argument and I'm not going to get involved in it. I have this (admittadly knee-jerk) reaction to negative comments about Nirvana and their legacy, because while in hindsight I can see aspects of their music that are kind of annoying or pompous, they were EXTREMELY influential on me, not just in terms of the music that I listen to and play, but a lot of my social attitudes (their feminism and anti-homophobia was pretty exciting to me as an early teen). So when people say that they weren't important or that their influence on music/culture was negative (which is not really what Alex/V.Bingo are doing on this thread, but it's something I've seen time and time again on ILM), it pisses me off like few music-related statements do.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Despite the suicide/depression/drugs, there are much much much worse people to emulate and idolize than K. Cobain.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Grandad Rock vs Dead Guy Rock ?

kephm, Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

vs. Gay Dad Rock?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I can never spell "admittedly" right. I'm not even sure that THAT's right.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

here is something from the guitar board that made me laugh:

I was always amused by the fact that a lot of Nirvana songs were in DGCFAD.
-- AaronHz (aaronh...), September 3rd, 2004.

kephm, Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder if they'll have the Albini version of In Utero, or bits of it. it's probably indistinguishable from the Litt-doctored versh, but i'm still curious. i once did an interview with Rye Coalition where they claimed that Albini let them hear it, and that it was "the greatest thing ever". i can't believe this is true, but.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't get the tuning joke.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Are they releasing the "unreleased" songs?

I remember thinking when "Nirvana" came out that "You Know You're Right" should have been released and a tangible stand-alone single...but I guess if they'd done that, no-one would have bought "Nirvana."

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the tuning joke is 'DGC' (as in Geffen Records) "FAD' (as in, well, wasn't it one to sign alt/grunge acts in the early 90s.) Hmph.

Dark Horse, Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Raymond: actually young people are still really into Nirvana. i can't tell you how many of my teenage students declared that they are huge Nirvana fans, and had copies of that best-of without owning the albums.

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i've always been an unapologetic nirvana fan so i'll prolly get it.

"It's not Nirvana that are boring, it's the fact that people are still moaning on and on and on about Nirvana that's FUCKING boring. How much further can the barrel be scraped?

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), September 9th, 2004."

i definitely understand that sentiment (all that "St. Kurt" bullshit is irritating even to me). but this box set's been in the making for a while (and was delayed by legal battles) so those of us who are fans have a little bit to be excited about.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the box should be shaped like a vagina.
-- dysøn (dyspleasur...), September 9th, 2004.

a moist vagina!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

(oh, and nobody bitches about My Bloody Valentine box set threads...?)

Well no, that would be wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Enquiring minds wanted to know, so we just made it up.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 9 September 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I honestly doubt there could be more than 5 songs - okay, okay, at the MOST, EIGHT songs, but thats really, really pushing it - that no one has heard before. The rest will likely be the best tracks from the "Outcesticide" bootlegs.

I'll be buying it for those 5 new songs, and the DVD.

As for the MBV box, that's for another thread.

billstevejim, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, is it scraping the barrel if there's lots of unreleased music that people haven't heard? It's not like 15 Tupac albums with old verses over new beats or something. It's stuff nobody's heard yet, theoretically.

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

a moist vagina!
i think a sloppy one would be more fitting¡

dysøn (dyson), Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i can't tell you how many of my teenage students declared that they are huge Nirvana fans, and had copies of that best-of without owning the albums.

Nirvana=the new nu Doors?

Vic Funk, Thursday, 9 September 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

lots of unreleased music that people haven't heard?

Do " 5 songs - okay, okay, at the MOST, EIGHT songs" warrant a fuckin' box set?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

But they can make so much more MONEY than they could by releasing a single cd, Alex.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, we're really talking about two issues here:

(A) The shameless fleecing of the fans by the record company.
(B) The misguided deification of Nirvana.


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not like 15 Tupac albums with old verses over new beats or something.

that Tupac Live album that just came out is pretty cool actually...

But they can make so much more MONEY than they could by releasing a single cd, Alex.

ehh, scratch a box-set, find a ripoff. or not, if you love the loveliness box sets offer...

stevie (stevie), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Do "5 songs - okay, okay, at the MOST, EIGHT songs" warrant a fuckin' box set?

The 5-8 songs I'm referring to are along the lines of "Dough Ray and Me," the ones that only C.Love and a select few have heard. For the record, there are plenty of Outcesticide tracks that have never been issued as an official album track or b-side, and the quality of recording for most of these is not especially great. The ones who are likely to buy this box would have heard of the majority of these songs by now, but this collection will gives the opportunity to finally hear songs like "Opinion" or "Old Age" with the same quality as their most popular songs.

Hm, I could have said that with less words, but I'm too lazy..

billstevejim, Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

On what basis are they saying this box will be such a huge seller? I mean, how many copies did that best of sell? I believe it wasnt such a huge number. And then think about how many of those ppl are hard core fans who'd buy a box vs. fans who just wanted the greatest hits all on one disc. I have a feeling we'll see multiple copies of this box on store shelves for years to come.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

the best of sold over a million, i think. granted, mostly to kids in malls out of a sense of generational/coming-of-age/rebellion-is-hip duty.

drew, Thursday, 9 September 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

1)I'm going to buy this the day it comes out
2)My "DGCFAD" thing wasn't a joke, it was an observation, the Nirvana songs in this tuning include: Come As You Are, Lithium and Drain You. There are probably more but these are the ones I know for sure. Cobain tuned down only a half step as opposed to a whole on In Utero. Nirvana were the biggest band in the world when I was learning to play guitar, and their songs are extremely easy to play for a beginning guitarist. Consequently I can play just about any Nirvana song you want from memory.
3)Those Outcesticide songs like "Opinions" and "Talk To Me" are pretty cool, I'll be glad to have them on a nice official CD along with all this other stuff.
4)Anyone notice Nirvana threads read exactly like Beatles threads nowadays? Face it doubters: Nirvana's rock-canonship is CEMENTED.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 9 September 2004 20:07 (nineteen years ago) link

wake up
they had 3 songs that were ok

snappers whipper, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Re: that picture.

I didn't realize that Anthony Kiedis and Andy Kaufman were the other two guys in Nirvana.

The Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I posted about it on another thread, but this fuckin rules. Favorite tracks: They Hung Him On A Cross, Even In His Youth, Aneurysm demo, acoustic sliver, clean up before she comes, anorexorcist, scentless apprentice jam, gallons of rubbing alcohol...

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link

There's all sorts of stuff that didn't make the box. Like the single version of Moist Vagina, stuff off the "Blew" ep, the Sub Pop 200 version of Spank Thru, Krist's drunken phone call off the "Sliver" 7".
Still, an amazing trek...

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

is the side of crowd-banter from the muddy banks LP available anywhere?

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

who sings on hiden track ?

I only wish that that was really Tom Waits.

Pleasant Plains ///, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

is the side of crowd-banter from the muddy banks LP available anywhere?

"You called me a vagina? How dare you!"

What's this place, Biblevania? (natepatrin), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

On second thought, maybe the person on the left is Cher. Dude on the right is definitely Andy Kaufman, though.

The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Hey, I just bought this down the 'closing down' MVC in Basingstoke for £25.

Working through it..

Played about a third of the DVD yesterday.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:08 (eighteen years ago) link

...and your verdict so far, Mr. Grout?

it's ALL too loud, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Umm, so far so good. As mentioned upthread, CD1 is one for hearing once and putting away, which is as far as I've got so far. (About a girl, to be precise)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

does any other of do re mi even exist?

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 11 September 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link

I'm only aware of the bedroom demo. It was probably written too soon before their feb 94 shows for any other demos let alone a full band version.

sup (billstevejim), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:51 (ten years ago) link

I'd quite like a disc of songs not on any of the four studio albums, not particularly interested in alternate takes or demos or what have you. Does such a thing exist?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 September 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link

Not really, all of the b-side and non-album tracks are piled in with the alternate takes and demos on the With the Lights Out box, they've never really had a single disc non-album comp. Some of the Outcesticide bootlegs might get you closer, but a lot of those are live tracks, not necessarily b-side stuff.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:09 (ten years ago) link

BEANS BEANS BEANS, JACKIE ATE SOME BEANS

Poliopolice, Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

NAKED NAKED NAKED, HE WAS SITTING CROSS-LEGGED

how's life, Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:47 (ten years ago) link

I'd quite like a disc of songs not on any of the four studio albums, not particularly interested in alternate takes or demos or what have you. Does such a thing exist?

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:59 AM (54 minutes ago)

Haha, I think you've answered your own question here! Incesticide is precisely what you're referring to and is not a studio album.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 September 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I knew that, kind of wishing for Incesticide II really! There seems to be enough material knocking around.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 September 2013 17:09 (ten years ago) link

Oh sorry, I thought you didn't know that because you said four studio albums (they only had three: Bleach / Nevermind / In Utero).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 12 September 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link

is there actually much material left that isn't on those four albums?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 12 September 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link

Blandest is pretty great. Why wasn't that on Incesticide?

Poliopolice, Thursday, 12 September 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link

it also has maybe the single best Nirvana lyric (and it's the chorus!): "I need you around to remind me what not to become"

Poliopolice, Thursday, 12 September 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link

Oh sorry, I thought you didn't know that because you said four studio albums (they only had three: Bleach / Nevermind / In Utero).

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli)

My fault for not having having stringent definitions; in my head Incesticide is a studio album because it's a collection of songs that were recorded in a studio.

is there actually much material left that isn't on those four albums?

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.),

Glancing through the tracklist of the box I can see a decent album's worth of extra studio recordings (not necessarily Cobain compositions, mind).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 12 September 2013 22:05 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Corpse Cobain more profitable than ever.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link

What, are there new unreleased recordings or something?

a mad urea nub (how's life), Thursday, 30 April 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link

Just tired of this new doc and sites posting clips of home videos and the whole necromarketing going on.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link

Adam Bruneau wrote this on thread Used to love it, had to 'kill' it... on board I Love Music on Jul 18, 2001
Years after having dismissed grunge I happened upon a very cheap copy of Nirvana's "Nevermind" in a used CD shop and it's far from as spectacular as I used to think it was. In fact, I could barely finish side 2.

a mad urea nub (how's life), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

If that's real then in the 14 years that have passed I think it rules again like I did when I was in middle school when it came out. I even did a cover last year of "On a Plain":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60zZg3JbOMA

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

Oh, ok cool. I just wasn't sure if this was your shtick all along or what. To be fair, Nevermind probably didn't sound that good in 2001.

how's life, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link

you were prob listening to a buncha shit.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link

Hah I was really punk rock at that time so I probably thought it was too corporate.

It kinda still is production wise but it stands out more now, it has a more unique sound without all those. Around that time it seemed like that production style was all over the kind of bad rock radio you would hear in a Footlocker or sports store. The songs are still killer though, the lyrics in "Underneath the Bridge" are a huge highlight for me now. Yeah excuse the younger me I was probably trying hard to seem cool.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link

watched the documentary last night. there's a part in the middle that's just 15 minutes of kurt/courtney home video clips. it's like watching gummo or something... kind of entertaining.

i'd give it a 7/10 BNM

BringTheAuBonPain, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link

Morbius, I was indeed listening to a bunch of shit.

how's life, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link

LOL me too

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link

Nevermind probably didn't sound that good in 2001.

the charles cross book came out in 2001.

For me they seemed boring between 1996-1998, but outside of that duration they sounded pretty neat.

billstevejim, Friday, 1 May 2015 08:13 (nine years ago) link

have we ever had a nirvana poll, or are we set to?

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 1 May 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link

if you were listening to a CD I'm not surprised you didn't enjoy side 2 tbf

pull blart, maul cops (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 May 2015 10:16 (nine years ago) link

?

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 1 May 2015 10:25 (nine years ago) link

Lol

how's life, Friday, 1 May 2015 10:31 (nine years ago) link

OIC

but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, 1 May 2015 10:38 (nine years ago) link

have we ever had a nirvana poll, or are we set to?

― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Friday, May 1, 2015 6:00 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

65. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
66. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
67. Yo La Tengo/Dump - Clemenza
68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds

Looks like there is one coming up in the queue.

how's life, Friday, 1 May 2015 13:17 (nine years ago) link

OK, so they are putting out previously unreleased recordings to coincide with the film.

http://pitchfork.com/news/59469-new-kurt-cobain-album-to-be-released-this-summer-according-to-montage-of-heck-director/

how's life, Friday, 1 May 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link


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