― chris, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Jonnie, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Sorry everything about that bloke really gets my back up, he was a cocky
little bastard at Forest and Cloughie couldn't knock any sense into him,
the only reason he gets on so well with Ferguson is cos they're the same
sort of bully and so he acts as his enforcer or summat. Castration, it's the
Raul had a bit of a tiff with a coach the other day, I was hoping
he'd come home in a huff too. That bloke from Arsenal had a bit of
fisticuffs with a fellow Swede, it's catching on.
― PJ Miller, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― rener, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I don't want to kill Roy Keane, but I'll be very annoyed by any
sympathy he's shown and I'd like to this negate everything else he's
done for Irish football too.
― Ronan, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― David, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― N., Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Michael Bourke, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Also there's a great deal of people who are behaving like 12 year
olds and can't seem to see beyond the fact that "I'd rather Roy Keane
than Mick McCarthy for Ireland". I mean principles are principles.
I'm not sure how committed Roy was anyway, all this "i'm only coming
back for my family" nonsense, if anyone was looking for an excuse for
Roy Keane to be sent home, it was Roy Keane.
I loathe him too. Psychopathic, bulging eyed thug. So there'll always
be a place at Wimbledon FC for him.
― Mark C, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
"Who the fuck do you think you are, having meetings about me? You
were a crap player, you are a crap manager. The only reason I have
any dealings with you is that somehow you are manager of my country
and you're not even Irish, you English cunt. You can stick it up your
― Johnathan, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― chris, Saturday, 25 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― N., Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
N. — do you like Ray Manzarek?
― mark s, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Billy D, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Jonnie, Tuesday, 28 May 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:26 (7 years ago) Permalink
Say MUCH LESS. He's reportedly on £75k a week or thereabouts. That's four good players for an old man with a bad temper and a dodgy hip.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:04 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:07 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:09 (7 years ago) Permalink
The programme was recorded at United's training complex at Carrington on Monday lunchtime, the injured United captain giving his verdict on the debacle at the Riverside Stadium on Saturday evening, but United hierarchy pulled the show as the Irishman laid in to more than one first team regular with amazing vitriol.
― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:24 (7 years ago) Permalink
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 00:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:25 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 01:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 09:44 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:06 (7 years ago) Permalink
I would instantly sack Keane and get him away from the club. Has Keane never played a bad game? You'd think that all of MUFC's success over the years was singlehandedly down to Keane. What about Giggs, Scholes, Schmichael, Cantona etc etc? I have absolutely no respect for this kind of sniping from the sidelines. Ferguson and the club need to stick with the players they have and try and work on correcting the problems. Stick together and work it out. Why doesn't Keane get in there and help to put things right? Because he's a whinging self-serving cunt, that's why. Look at his track record - a series of pathetic disputes about money or the affrontery of having to play with players who aren't in his class. He might have been the best midfielder in the country 7 years ago, but for the last 3 or 4 he's been living on reputation - slow, limited and half-crocked. He was good once though, I'll give him that.
Of course Ferguson won't kick him out.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:06 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 10:24 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:47 (7 years ago) Permalink
― M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 18:55 (7 years ago) Permalink
A Year On
Review from northerner about Stam, Jaap, 09.09.02Author's product rating Advantages World Class DefenderDisadvantages Abrupt departure
Summary:Full reviewAmid the fallout from Roy Keane’s literary efforts, the controversy surrounding Old Traffords last would be author remains unclear. Although Manchester United have rightfully suggested that no player will now be allowed permission to write an autobiography whilst at the club, the situation surrounding the sale of Jaap Stam has yet to be resolved. A number of different explanations were offered at the time, but the fans are still unclear as to why the club sold their based defender at such short notice, without a reasonable explanation for such an abrupt transfer.
The first explanation, provided by the club, is that Stam had failed to recover sufficiently from an operation on his achilles tendon, and was no longer playing at the level the club expected of him. Laurent Blanc, persistently pursued by the club, had recently become available, and with the progress of Wes Brown and John O’Shea, Stam would no longer be a first choice, and the chance to recoup £15m to offset the cost of the summer transfers was seen as good business. However, the timing of the transfer makes this explanation seem unlikely. If the club really had intended to replace Stam, then it would have made sense to conduct the transfer before the season started, not rushing to beat the European transfer deadline. Suggesting that Stam was sold because he was no longer needed at the club is about as credible as the argument that Rio Ferdiand was signed by Leeds as a stop-gap.
The second explanation is one constructed from various sources within the club, which suggest Stam’s sale may have been the result of a serious of misunderstandings. After media attention surrounding his book, Stam believed he may have damaged his relationship with the club, so instructed his agent to investigate possible moves away from England if the situation became worse. The United board soon found out that an agent acting for Stam had been touting possible interest in his client, and mistakenly believed that Stam wanted a move away from the club. The board decided that is Stam was to leave, it would be on their terms, and also began to investigate possible moves. Having recently signed Veron form Lazio, United had a good relationship with the Italian club, and soon agreed a transfer, which Stam had little chance of rejecting. As an explanation, this has credibility, as misunderstandings between players, agents and clubs are common. However, it is unlikely both that Stam would have believed his comments would force him to leave the club, and that United would transfer a player before verifying rumours of him looking to leave the club.
The third explanation, provided by the media, is that comments made in Stam’s autobiography caused concern within the club, and the decision was made to offload the player. Comments concerning team mates were insulting, but light hearted. However, comments regarding European opposition, and a suggestion that Manchester United made an illegal approach for him whilst at PSV, were potentially damaging and hence the club were forced to transfer him. As the timing between the release of his book, and his transfer were coincident, it was the easy option to conclude that the book was the course of the dispute. However, it seems highly unlikely that Manchester United would offload their best defender simply for a few out of place remarks. Although a simple explanation, it seems that it lacks any real substance.
The fourth possible explanation, and possibly the most credible, came to light after the transfer had been completed, and Stam had begun his career at Lazio. After a routine drug test, Stam was found to have taken nandralone, and was subsequently banned for 6 months. This was one a series of bans, mostly Dutch players, for taking banned substances. Allegations has been made that The Holland squad for Euro 2000 had been taking dietary supplements that may have contained banned sub stances. Following bans for Davids and DeBoer, many clubs instructed their medical staff to test any Dutch players in their squad. It has become apparent that Manchester United probably tested both Van Nistlerooy and Stam, although the results were withheld. It is now suggested that Manchester United, on discovering that Stam tested positive, were aware that it was only a matter of time before the player was officially tested, and given a lengthy ban. The decision was taken that a replacement for Stam would have to be found, and that Laurent Blanc could lead the defence until a younger replacement was found. This relies on the assumption that Lazio didn’t conduct their own medical tests, although the proximity of the transfer deadline may have forced the club to perform a medical quickly. If this is the explanation why Stam was transferred to Lazio, and initially it is highly plausible, it is obvious that the club would look to withhold the information, and suggest alternative reasons for the move. The controversy over Jaap’s book may have helped the club conceal the truth surrounding the deal, which may have damaged the club’s reputation.
The impact of Stam’s sale on the Manchester United defence caused much interest within the football world. Stam was undoubtedly the based individual defender in the squad, and one of the best centre backs in the world. However, legitimate doubts were raised over his ability to play within a defensive unit, and to provide leadership to the younger members of the defence. Laurent Blanc was seen as a vastly experienced defender who could organise the defence for a season before a younger defender could be brought in to build to the defence around. However, to suggest that the sale of Stam was the reason why Manchester United failed to retain the Premiership title is both inaccurate and unfounded. Firstly, although of the top 6 sides, only Newcastle conceded more goals, it was United’ s failure to score goals that cost them the title. United failed to secure a record fourth successive title because they lost 6 games at home, failing to score in all six games, and losing five of them 1-0. Arsenal won the title because they scored in every game, home and away, not because they had a better defensive record. Equally, the claim that keeping Stam at the club would have improved that defensive record are inaccurate. Blanc had an excellent season, providing the leadership that had previously been missed. United conceded goals because of injuries that made it impossible to get a settled defence, with 17 different centre back pairings over the course of the season, and the attacking style of play which provides little cover for the defence.
Ultimately, it is still unclear why Jaap Stam’s career at Old Trafford was abruptly ended. If the club were aware that Stam would test positive if he was officially sampled, then it is in their best interests not to disclose that they offloaded a player knowing he would test positive for a banned substance. United have moved on, brining in Blanc who had an excellent first season, and subsequently signing one of the most promising centre backs in the world in Rio Ferdinand. Stam has struggled in the unsettled atmosphere of Lazio amid financial difficulties and his drugs ban. The real explanation for Stam’s sale to Lazio, along with the £15m owed to Manchester United, is uncertain.
― F.R.I.E.N.D. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
On another occasion Keane is described as having "lost it" when he saw Ruud van Nistelrooy combing his hair before an interview with MUTV at the club's training ground.
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:58 (7 years ago) Permalink
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:04 (7 years ago) Permalink
― terry lennox. (gareth), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:12 (7 years ago) Permalink
My favourite bit in the book was when he threw a strop about everyone eating unhealthy cheese sandwiches then stormed up to his room and ordered a pizza (you know, those things with the BREAD and the CHEESE) from room service.
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:51 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 4 November 2005 15:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Friday, 4 November 2005 16:16 (7 years ago) Permalink
Alan Hansen in his bbc column today.
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 9 January 2006 16:32 (7 years ago) Permalink
If he gets a chance after his run-out in the non-hoops on Sunday :)
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 9 January 2006 18:43 (7 years ago) Permalink
What about Cantona? Zola? Or are we talking about attrition?
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:33 (7 years ago) Permalink
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 January 2006 19:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
If you have to ask the question though, my money would be on Cantona too. He was utterly central to the winning of the league from 1992-97, and his influence on a group of players who went on to win another 3 titles and a European Cup is well-documented.
― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 00:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 08:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
Are you sure Alan Hansen isn't talking about himself?
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:23 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:25 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:26 (7 years ago) Permalink
From someone on WSC board:
"This place is a fucking disgrace! You haven't prepared at all! I mean here I am, on the bench, warming up, and I need a piss. And where can I go? Back in the dressing rooms? I tell you, Sir Alex would have had urinals set up right here, next to the f*cking bench, where I need them. This is a complete bloody shambles. Strachan, you're a c*nt. You're not even f*cking Irish, what the f*ck do you know about needing to go for a piss while waiting to play for Celtic. You ginger-haired, Scottish c*nt."
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 30 January 2006 23:16 (7 years ago) Permalink
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 12 June 2006 12:55 (7 years ago) Permalink
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 12 June 2006 13:17 (7 years ago) Permalink
Some questioned whether he would return to management following his tempestuous departure from the Stadium of Light. "You have to wonder who'd want him now when he has walked again," Cascarino wrote at the time, adding he would be "amazed if he got another job in football".Keane retorted: "I would not give him the time of day. I am quite happy to comment on people's opinion in football I respect, but Tony Cascarino is a man I certainly do not respect for a lot of reasons, and if I told you, you would be shocked. So the day I worry about Tony Cascarino will be a very sad day of my life."
Keane retorted: "I would not give him the time of day. I am quite happy to comment on people's opinion in football I respect, but Tony Cascarino is a man I certainly do not respect for a lot of reasons, and if I told you, you would be shocked. So the day I worry about Tony Cascarino will be a very sad day of my life."
― the pinefox, Friday, 24 April 2009 09:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox, Friday, 24 April 2009 09:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Cascarino's a wifebeater iirc.
― Suggesteban Cambiasso (jim), Friday, 24 April 2009 09:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
You're only saying that because he's Irish.
― Enormous Epic (Matt DC), Friday, 24 April 2009 10:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
doesn't he mean that "Big Cas" had a "Big Gambling Problem"
― Local Garda, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
x-post Big Cas not actually Irish, at all. Not even the legal Irish connections to play for Ireland.
― Local Garda, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Roy Keane's got 'shocking' information about me? I'd like to know what that is. Tell the world, Roy. I've got nothing to hide. But I know plenty about you that would shock quite a few people. If Roy's trying to intimidate me, it won't work. You can't bully me, Roy - Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance.
"As for him not respecting what I say, I couldn't give two hoots. I won't lose a minute's sleep. It's funny, I never had a fallout with Roy over a decade as Ireland team-mates, but as soon as I started writing my honest opinion about the way he behaves, he didn't like it.
"Roy needs to look at his own behaviour, not mine. He needs to ask why rumours spread within the game about why many players at Sunderland weren't happy while he was in charge there.
"He should look at why he left Sunderland in the lurch, just like he did with Ireland. Will the same thing happen at Ipswich?"
picking up steam
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 12:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
Still surprised to see him at Ipswich. It looks like the Clough theory of needing total control with everyone totally reliant on you-as-messiah (not a bad thing necessarily, it's served O'Neill fine)
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 24 April 2009 12:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
except haven't they been taken over by a gajillionaire or something. agree that the manager as dictator can work fine, as long as he can delegate where he's not competent- keane's transfer record is as patchy as anybody's at premier league level.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 12:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
― Local Garda, Friday, 24 April 2009 10:46 (1 hour ago) Permalink
is this true? he says in his autobiography that he wasn't really entitled to play for Ireland, because his mother was adopted and not a blood relative of his irish grandfather. but elsewhere I've read that's not correct - an adoption is as good as a blood relation as far as the regs are concerned.
― joe, Friday, 24 April 2009 12:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
as far as regs or concerned, but in terms of assuming the wifebeatery we'll need a certificate of blood.
also- would be extremely surprised if adoption allowed you to play under fifia regs under any circumstances, probably very tightly worded, that one.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 12:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
he wasn't adopted, his mum was which made her an irish citizen.
― joe, Friday, 24 April 2009 12:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
but doesn't give him the wifebeating gene, crucially.
― Old Big 'OOS (AKA the Cupwinner) (darraghmac), Friday, 24 April 2009 13:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
Keane admits he cannot foresee a time when he and Ferguson enjoy a healthy relationship again.
“I wouldn’t have thought so, no,” Keane said. “He’s a busy man and I’m fairly busy."
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 09:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
Gary Neville tells a story of texting Keane with his new mobile number, and receiving a text straight back from him, which said: “So what.”
― maybe it's a Hartlepool scarf? (onimo), Monday, 6 August 2012 15:48 (10 months ago) Permalink
A photographer I worked with once asked Keane to growl in to the camera. “I’m a footballer, not a fucking actor,” he replied.
"You don’t contest football matches in a reasonable state of mind."
― maybe it's a Hartlepool scarf? (onimo), Monday, 6 August 2012 15:50 (10 months ago) Permalink
The small details mattered to Keane. On his first day of pre-season training with United in 1993 he ordered a taxi to drive to the Cliff training ground, and followed behind in his own car to guarantee he would not get lost.
Surely getting the taxi would have been a better call?
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 09:48 (10 months ago) Permalink
In the summer of 1998, on the brink of his comeback, I spoke with Keane at the Cliff. He seemed like a man in a hurry, as though he wanted to make up for lost time.
Vintage deficit of self-awareness.
― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 09:52 (10 months ago) Permalink
-xpost- Maybe Roy knew he'd be criticising the driving so much he wouldn't remember the route.
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 09:54 (10 months ago) Permalink
he didn't want to pay for a taxi back. money doesn't grow on trees fellas.
― pandemic, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 10:32 (10 months ago) Permalink
His property tax form just landed on my desk
― b'hurt's tauntin' (darraghmac), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 10:30 (4 months ago) Permalink
that was the trouble, everyone wanted something. even in ireland they had tried to charge me something they called "tax" on my earnings. "roy has money now, let's take him to the cleaners," they no doubt thought or said in their minds. it was bollocks. i phoned my accountant and he repeatedly tried to explain what tax was. fired.
― Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 10:40 (4 months ago) Permalink
"Going through the pro-licence system one of the things you have to do is a study visit. The range of things people have reported on is amazing. Roy Keane did something on the All Blacks."
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 10:55 (1 week ago) Permalink
"my week in new zealand, by roy, aged 33."
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:00 (1 week ago) Permalink
"the collage was ruined. glitter all over my fingers now. mocking me. i rang the gaffer and... and..."
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:08 (1 week ago) Permalink
"duct tape - did they think neil hamilton had ever used duct tape?"
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:21 (1 week ago) Permalink
sorry i've done this meme to death but it's still funny.
i'm imaginging keane's fucking ham-fisted and patronising view of the all blacks and their success (tho actually when he did this they were probably still massive chokers anyway despite their brand.)
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 11:22 (1 week ago) Permalink
Yr proficiency in the dialect is twitter worthy, if not christmas book standard
― bob_sleigher (darraghmac), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 12:01 (1 week ago) Permalink
i said neil hamilton instead of neil buchanan tho
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:18 (1 week ago) Permalink
probably not as big a diff as it seems
― ... (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:19 (1 week ago) Permalink