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There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (11 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (11 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (11 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

basically i always try to draft decks around the JOU cards because i'm tired of the theros ones

i do think 'format fatigue' is a real issue now with more people playing magic online and the amount of video/streaming content etc out there now meaning that people are experiencing more drafts per set now even when they're not actually playing more themselves. I think magic R&D understand this though which is why most recent blocks have had double large sets.

ciderpress, Monday, 30 June 2014 17:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

haha yeah I'm sick of vma and I haven't played it once

iatee, Monday, 30 June 2014 17:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

one thing that has kept things a little fresher for me is that the archetypes that i have enjoyed/had success with have evolved through the block so i feel like i am more often playing with theros cards i saw less of earlier. for example BU went from a colour combo i couldn't win with in THS to my most successful pairing in full block.

my favourite deck to date was a BG early into JOU that had all of the gold cards, inc 2x nyx weaver and 2x mender, and eidolon of blossoms, bestow creatures and a couple font of return. it was just card advantage for days and days. every time i have tried to do something similar since it has been disastrous.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 30 June 2014 17:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah JBT draft is awesome, I think they did a great job making everything come together there. I dont feel that Born really hurt things too much but BTT was just too similar to TTT to really make much of a difference, they shook up the archetypes in ways that were maybe too subtle to notice (for example, Green devotion getting a little better, Minotaurs getting a little worse), it didn't feel much like a new set had been added.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 30 June 2014 17:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

theros itself is so powerful that most of the changes in this block have really been 'you get less theros'

iatee, Monday, 30 June 2014 18:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

ie the grey-merchant deck went from 3 to 2 to 1

iatee, Monday, 30 June 2014 18:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

that's true. grey merchant was probably most affected single card, certainly only having one pack of ordeals made a big difference. and it felt like having a decent number of bestow dudes if you wanted them was no longer a foregone conclusion.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 30 June 2014 18:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i do think 'format fatigue' is a real issue now with more people playing magic online and the amount of video/streaming content etc out there now meaning that people are experiencing more drafts per set now even when they're not actually playing more themselves. I think magic R&D understand this though which is why most recent blocks have had double large sets.

there's a lot of truth to this, there's a very clear difference in my drafting strategies before I played MTGO and after - you can now do like 10 drafts a week if you want, whereas before I would probably do 10 drafts over the life of a set. I think you need about 15 or 20 before I feel like you really get a good handle on how a limited format really plays out and just playing live you really struggle to play that much.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 30 June 2014 18:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i like(d) jbt but i wish it had been a little more challenging to draft and explore. none of the journey cards really bent the format in an interesting direction even if they opened some previously too weak strategies up for consideration. i was trying to think of a single uncommon that really let you do something different in jou and the closest i could come up with is strength of the fallen, which is really only an expansion of theros's b/g deck. i do wish that knowledge + power had been costed a little more aggressively, that would've been a genuinely different style of draft deck

dude (Lamp), Monday, 30 June 2014 18:59 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I thought not having a viable linear scry deck in limited was a real missed opportunity, especially because UR seemed the most likely color combo for it and UR didn't have much of an identity this block

Vinnie, Monday, 30 June 2014 19:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

UR scry is there, i've drafted it, but the payoff is not quite good enough for how tricky it is to get all the parts

ciderpress, Monday, 30 June 2014 19:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

you need more things like the Flamespeaker Adept. the problem is that outside of Spite of Mogis most of the deck's best cards are plenty good in other decks. also that constantly scrying does you no good when your card quality is less than your opponents. there's not a very clear path to victory there.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 30 June 2014 20:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

adept could've been at common without hurting anything and that might've been enough to give UR a deck that instead basically barely existed

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 30 June 2014 20:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It's obvious they wanted the deck to happen, because they wouldn't make cards like Knowledge and Power otherwise. Just seems like the developers didn't care enough about the deck to cost the cards appropriately or put in enough support. I guess "viable" is vague. I'm sure the deck has been made as cider says, but it seems like you have to get very lucky with your opens

Vinnie, Monday, 30 June 2014 20:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Or more likely, the developers ran out of time to cost it right

Vinnie, Monday, 30 June 2014 20:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

reminds me a bit of Izzet in RTR, it was rather frustrating how clearly it was the weakest guild - I think they try not to make spell-based strategies very good in Limited which nerfs U/R.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 30 June 2014 20:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Heh, many of the best repeated Scry cards are creatures though

Vinnie, Monday, 30 June 2014 20:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I thought Spellheart Chimera was kinda supposed to be the "basis" of the deck, you play a bunch of instants and sorceries that pump it while stalling your opponent's creatures. I think I once was able to kinda-successfully build that deck in 3xTHS.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 30 June 2014 20:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

izzet was so not the weakest guild, golgari was the weakest guild

iatee, Monday, 30 June 2014 21:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

u and r were both great support colors for an aggro-tempo w deck in theros block, but they lacked good two drops - vaporkin and the suicide minotaur (who's generally terrible in ur because you don't have an aggressive deck to back him up) were really all you had

iatee, Monday, 30 June 2014 21:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah common 2-drops are incredibly important and are often what define which archetypes are viable in limited formats

ciderpress, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

https://twitter.com/mtgworth/status/486647438933889024

it is amazing that wizards lets a hapless dude like this make important business decisions

iatee, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 19:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah its kind of amazing that worth still has his job, but he's a super oldschool wotc guy so they're probably reluctant to get rid of him and also he oversees DotP as well which is about as huge a success as MTGO is a failure

ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

He oversees DotP? That's baffling to me, the two programs are night and day

Vinnie, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:23 (1 week ago) Permalink

important distinction is that DotP development is outsourced to an actual software company, WotC only does the game design for it.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:32 (1 week ago) Permalink

oh I didn't know he oversaw dotp, that does explain why he has a job

iatee, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

or rather why he has half of his job

iatee, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

dotp surely 1000x less complicated than mtgo too

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah, the core of dotp is strong enough that the yearly changes aren't what makes or breaks its success w/ new players

iatee, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

if anything, on that level (the marginal changes) even dotp is poorly managed

iatee, Wednesday, 9 July 2014 20:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

i have this theory that wotc keeps worth around because nothing is quite so rage-inducing as the serial incompetence of a smug nerd and it lets them really bank on the image of their customers as irrational complainers. so instead of just sort of getting irritated and with mtgos general terribleness and being like 'enh ill just download hearthstone' people get worked up over w/e recent shittiness has gone on lather at the mouth about it, worth is like ::crossed arms:: 'have you ever thought you might be the problem' someone dies of apoplexy the issue gets clouded no one at wotc has to take any real blame. storm.

dude (Lamp), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 22:52 (1 week ago) Permalink

storm.

IRL roffling @ this.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 13 July 2014 10:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

m15 seems pretty good but this prerelease format is getting really played out at this point, i hope they switch it up soon, or at least put more effort into balancing the promos. half the room at mine was black just because the black promo was considered the best. i played green and the green promo didn't even make the cut for my deck.

ciderpress, Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah, black was way over-represented at mine too (including me) and there were about 2 people in green.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

yeah the blue promo was straight unplayable too

iatee, Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

and the black one was indeed a back breaker, too bad I didn't draw it until my last round

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Sunday, 13 July 2014 15:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

the blue one could cost 3U and the black one 4BB and the black one would *still* be better

iatee, Sunday, 13 July 2014 16:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

I picked blue at my prerelease, unaware that the blue promo was hot garbage. Just assumed they would balance the damn promo cards. Ended up ditching blue and playing rampy Jund - cast In Garruk's Wake 3 times in 4 rounds. Maro recently said they are aware of the complaints with the "pick-a-color" prerelease format and he didn't dismiss them, so it sounds like we might get a change-up soon.

Vinnie, Monday, 14 July 2014 13:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

Yeah this prerelease format made way more sense with RTR block, where each guild had a very distinct identity and play style, plus essentially there were 5 two-color combos that were unplayable. The issue now is that there's a 20% shot that your weakest color in the five regular packs is the one you chose (this is what happened to me) and the result is a crappy pool you have to force one way or the other. RTR had this issue too but it's much less pronounced when you're working with two colors.

That said I do love the idea and hope they tweak it for future releases.

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 14 July 2014 13:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

They didn't do a seeded color pack for M14 prerelease, right? or am I mis-remembering. I agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense for this release.

It was pretty tough going for me, even in black, because the promo was the only real game closer I had in my deck. I also opened a copy of the green promo guy, but couldn't support green in my deck.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Monday, 14 July 2014 14:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

i went blue as well and was pretty irritated by the power-level discrepancy in the promos. also because blue was the worst color the islandwalk stuff ended up being worse than it should be

dude (Lamp), Monday, 14 July 2014 14:19 (1 week ago) Permalink

I got trucked hard by Darksteel Citadel + 5/5 Animate Artifact aura, I had no clue Citadel was in this set

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 14 July 2014 14:29 (1 week ago) Permalink

i decked an opponent with avacyn, that card causes really dumb stalemates when they have something that keeps it from attacking for the win

ciderpress, Monday, 14 July 2014 15:14 (1 week ago) Permalink


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