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There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

another 'help me build this'

should I play wind drake / turtle / die young? what do we think of the mana?

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:44 (one week ago) Permalink

I could cut almost all the black except cruel ults and play like 2 swamp for turtle/drake/blue automaton/fireforger's

not sure I'd be missing that much if I do that and I'd have better mana

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 00:51 (one week ago) Permalink

i would 100% cut the rest of the black, none of it is good enough here to junk your mana over. i'd go up a land too. if you do add an artifact, with 4 black sources i would play black implement over the red puzzleknot, it is so much better maindeck.

love that you have gone in on the dark intimations again. i've yet to see one cast.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:03 (one week ago) Permalink

scratch the land add, i miscounted initially and meant to delete that

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:04 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah you got double blue and double red. if it were me though I'd still play the Sly Requisitioner. might sneak the Red Puzzleknot in too, I feel like AER has a decent amount of targets for that

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:10 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah I like that suggestion roberto, I have a decent amount of card draw to hit those 4 sources and even if I don't it still does something as an artifact in play.

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:16 (one week ago) Permalink

as a big fan of sly requisitioner in the right deck, imo it is not doing enough to be included here.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:25 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah this isn't much of a tokens deck and only barely has enough enablers

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:30 (one week ago) Permalink

went 1-2 with that :( had pretty poor draws, the only time I saw a chandra's revolution (for a walking ballista) it was negated

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:23 (one week ago) Permalink

right which is why I say "if it were me" - have a hard time shying away from cards like that even if they're wrong to play :)

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:42 (one week ago) Permalink

how did the mini-Ultimatums work, by the way? I like the card but it's a bit...underwhelming?

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm also curious to see how well those play. Sac a creature seems pretty bad in this format, but Raise Dead + draw + discard all seems good

Vinnie, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:17 (one week ago) Permalink

I've played with them a bunch now. they are good but you can't expect it to get you out of a bad situation if you're super far behind. in a fair board state you're going to go to massively ahead and probably win. the sac effect the least reliable for sure because you're probably playing some blue aura removal and everyone has servos, but when it's good it's also the strongest effect. g1 vs me a guy cast a peema outrider and made it a 4/4 to outclass my 3/3 - if he knew I was playing the ult, he woulda made the servo and the game wouldn't have effectively ended that turn.

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:26 (one week ago) Permalink

that was in retrospect a reason to be playing the puzzleknot main and I brought it in a lot

iatee, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:27 (one week ago) Permalink

well this is the most broken start I've gotten off to in this format

frogbs, Thursday, 16 February 2017 02:56 (six days ago) Permalink

ha nice

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 16 February 2017 03:20 (six days ago) Permalink

what do you guys think of the eldrazi tron deck in modern? I feel kinda set on playing lantern this weekend, but that deck has been doing pretty well

iatee, Thursday, 16 February 2017 15:59 (six days ago) Permalink

i don't think any one deck should be a factor in what you play in modern

are you playing the GP?

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 February 2017 16:37 (six days ago) Permalink

i dont think i would play lantern at a team event but have actively avoided playing modern for almost a year now and dont have particularly good opinions abt it

i think e_tron is probably good in so much as chalice of the void is really good rn but again see above

( ^_^) (Lamp), Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:05 (six days ago) Permalink

oh right this is the scg event

i still endorse through the breach valakut for modern. its braindead easy to play and has good matchups across the board

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 February 2017 17:46 (six days ago) Permalink

no I wasn't thinking lantern is bad because of e tron, it's prob pretty decent. lantern was one of the few decks that was still playable in eldrazi winter. was wondering if I should audible.

one of my teammates is pretty anti-valakut deck and another doesn't like the last minute audible idea so I think I'm priced into lantern.

iatee, Thursday, 16 February 2017 23:25 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah lantern sounds fine if you have recent practice w/ it

ciderpress, Friday, 17 February 2017 02:03 (five days ago) Permalink

frogbs: that reminds me of the time the owner of my LGS thought it would be fun to play his Vintage deck against my Onslaught draft deck

Vinnie, Friday, 17 February 2017 05:10 (five days ago) Permalink

modern seems like its pretty cheap online right now other than a few specific cards, with a new modern masters coming in a few weeks. i'm kinda tempted to start building out a collection rather than just maintaining one deck

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 19:31 (yesterday) Permalink

the price of modern cards has decreased significantly over the last two years (i think? i havent actually measured this, just anecdotally) which is kinda interesting. it feels like modern is significantly less popular on mtgo than it used to be

i have been spending several hours a day playing standard over the last few weeks and i honestly think its pretty fun

( ^_^) (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:11 (yesterday) Permalink

What are you playing in standard?

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:15 (yesterday) Permalink

standard is better than the last 2 seasons but still below average for the format i think

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:21 (yesterday) Permalink

I felt like Kaladesh had greater diversity of decks, but I'm making peace with Mardu Vehicles

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:27 (yesterday) Permalink

Of course, part of that diversity came from a huge pool of new cards and mechanics that took longer to solve

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:30 (yesterday) Permalink

ive been trying a bunch of stuff but mostly mardu and g/b energy aggro. a friend had a bant marvel deck that had an insane g/b match-up but was ultimately too inconsistent/bad against mardu. i also played a couple leagues with shouta's RUG tower deck but thought it was p underwhelming

i really liked vehicles but it can be an frustrating deck to play with

( ^_^) (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:30 (yesterday) Permalink

lantern ended up being...idk, something between a bad choice and 'I got unlucky'. we went 5-3-1. fact that lantern won a gp (with a list very similar to what I ran) suggests it wasn't the worst meta call in the world, but I just didn't hit my bridges and had too many 0 land hands. I'm playing in my store's invitational this sunday and prob just gonna bring dredge.

iatee, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:36 (yesterday) Permalink

i still like BR aggro in standard, feels like it has more balanced matchups than mardu at a time when walking ballista is freaking everywhere (even mardu ppl are playing it now as a mirror breaker, yuck)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 23:19 (yesterday) Permalink

having fun online http://imgur.com/a/7V0R0

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 03:14 (eleven hours ago) Permalink

lost that deck to sideboard bug, disappointing. was fun while it lasted

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 04:19 (ten hours ago) Permalink

loool efficient construction is on my mental 'this persons a bye' list of cards

( ^_^) (Lamp), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:48 (eight hours ago) Permalink

it was actually pretty good but I needed more blockers and not aether swoopers to have time to set it up

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:58 (eight hours ago) Permalink

these decks are really good if you can get 2 Serpents. I've cast so many 2 mana 5/6s in this format. sadly I think the card moved way up in the pick order so good luck.

frogbs, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:18 (fifty-six minutes ago) Permalink

efficient construction has been good for me in grixis improvise decks. I don't take it highly cause they wheel, but it's def a card I'm happy to have as a one-of if my deck is 50% artifacts.

iatee, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:20 (fifty-three minutes ago) Permalink

i'm getting kinda weary of improvise decks now but they always seem to be the only thing open, along with UW which i hate

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:42 (thirty-two minutes ago) Permalink

this limited format definitely inspires some crazy, LSV-style decks

I recently 3-0'd a deck with 2x Call for Unity, it was such a dumb deck but it wound up working, I'd win by swinging in with a bunch of 7/7 Servos or something crazy like that. Granted most games I won I was at like 3 or 4 life but still.

frogbs, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 14:44 (twenty-nine minutes ago) Permalink

UW is very much the open colour pair on mtgo right now, ppl are underdrafting both. in my last couple drafts i just leaned into it and got 3-0 both times with very similar decks - good fliers in combination with 3-power 2/3 drops and vehicles.

pvddr is the latest person i have seen saying that white is the weakest colour but more than half of my trophies have been with white decks, and although i haven't personally drafted it all that often, i do think WR is the strongest colour pair.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:07 (seven minutes ago) Permalink

yeah i could be down with some traditional UW fliers decks, its the aegis automaton grindfest UW deck that turned me off of the color pair

ciderpress, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:09 (four minutes ago) Permalink

the only improvise deck i want now is UR. if i have an opening 7 with say brawler and thopterist but no artifacts, it feels bad but i still have some % to win, whereas if my plan is to cast the 6s and 7s the range of unkeepable opening hands feels much broader.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 15:13 (one minute ago) Permalink


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