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There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (12 years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (12 years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (12 years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (12 years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (12 years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (12 years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (10 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (10 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (7 years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

+1/+1 counters for everyone

no (Lamp), Monday, 2 March 2015 17:24 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

xp

yeah as weird as it sounds, the deck kinda plays like jund! you one for one their best things and get incremental value from your power cards (snap, live tasigur, pyro). unlike previous modern delver builds it isn't totally dependent on an aggro start, in fact it keeps up really well in any attrition game cause you're drawing cuts instead of vapor snags and tasigur instead of swiftspear. the bad matchups are basically jund's bad matchups for the same reason (murderous cut is bad against lingering souls) / you do a lot of damage to yourself so you can get burned out.

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:47 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

nu-sidisi seems quite broken

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:57 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

kinda surprising she's not mythic

iatee, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:58 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

right?

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 2 March 2015 17:59 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

idk i feel like its probably a worse card than the one from dark ascension? i guess it beats all the other b/g big stuff creatures.

wonder if we can get to a place were the legends artifact from journey (or born?) is playable...

no (Lamp), Monday, 2 March 2015 18:42 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

seems like a really nice control piece mostly for the first two abilities. then i guess any kind of mirror becomes a race to the ultimate.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:04 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

This is going to be pretty nuts. Rebounding Treasure Cruise or Dig is basically game over.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

so I'm going to the SCG Standard Open in Dallas the weekend after next. This is my first large, competitive event. What should my expectations be? Any particular tips?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

scg opens are pretty chill in my experience, just have fun & always call a judge if you're unsure about something since the rules get a bit stricter at competitive REL

i like carrying a small notebook and taking quick notes about my opponents decks, how i won/lost each game, etc so that i have a sort of record of the tournament afterwards & it helps me remember better what i did well and poorly so that i can learn for next time

also always pack in healthy food & water for big events, if you do well you'll be there for 8+ hours and there's generally no breaks unless you finish a round fast

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i think at competitive rel you're required to use pen + paper to keep track of your (and your ops) life totals. dont check your phone during matches.

cider v otm about the snacks - at the gps ive been too eating is kind of rushed and options are usually limited and unhealthy. having an apple and some trail mix is really vital.

its kind of corny but i always try to bring some music that i can zone out to btw matches. its nice to talk to friends and check in on them but its also fraught and kind of exhausting? theres a high possibility that i take magic too seriously tho

no (Lamp), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 16:56 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

also i've never had a good experience with trading at big events so between that and the risk of theft being higher i don't bring any cards except for the deck i'm playing in the event

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

sweet, thanks!

Here's a more technical question - From what I understand, if I'm in my first main phase and I declare "move to combat step", I'm basically signaling to my opponent that I'm ready to pass priority at the end of the Beginning of Combat step before declaring attackers. My deck runs Flamewake Phoenix, whose ability triggers during the beginning of combat. What is the correct competitive language I should use if I want to move into the the beginning of combat step and maintain priority so that I can bring back my phoenix?

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i just say 'beginning of combat?' before i move to declare attackers. this is partly because i mostly play limited and thats the step where people most want to play spells like icy blast or w/e. if you're playing standard i can see saying something like 'go to combat?' as way of acknowledging that you are passing priority.

as for being able to play phoenix as the active player you have priority first. just acknowledge somehow that you're in beginning of combat phase, declare the phoenix trigger and you're good. same w/rabblemaster or w/e. just dont declare attacks and you cant miss anything.

no (Lamp), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I would say "move to beginning of combat?" to make it extra clear we're not in the beginning of combat step already. Kind of a strange phrase to use but the timing on Flamewake Phoenix is unusual, so it makes sense. "Move to combat?" could lead to problems like you think, Moodles.

Vinnie, Thursday, 5 March 2015 12:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 6 March 2015 20:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

origins obv

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 6 March 2015 20:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

also next block is Battle For Zendikar

i kinda hate return blocks in general but zendikar is one of the 2 post-timespiral settings i've particularly liked so this is ok

ciderpress, Friday, 6 March 2015 21:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

crazy. I guess their trying to push Temur with the new Sarkhan

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 6 March 2015 22:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Thought we'd get the enemy fetches in Dragons, but with a third of the set spoiled and a return to Zendikar, it's looking like we might need to wait a few more months. Also Evolving Wilds would be strange to print with the fetches

Vinnie, Saturday, 7 March 2015 06:32 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I woulda put money on the next block being zendikar

fetches in a small set woulda been bad - fairly few would be opened

iatee, Saturday, 7 March 2015 06:36 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Dragons is a big set, but you're right it won't get opened as much as battle for zendikar, since there's no triple drafting and it's only for three months

Vinnie, Saturday, 7 March 2015 06:52 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/twin-convicted-of-killing-man-over-fantasy-cards-worth-100k/

i watched an investigation discovery murder porn on this, the da called mtg "cardboard crack"

johnny crunch, Sunday, 8 March 2015 00:51 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Brother was quoted as saying "I know know just the person for that job"

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Sunday, 8 March 2015 01:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

the new commands seem pretty roundly meh, maybe with the exception of the gruul one if constructed can take advantage of the ramp. GW one i am sure will be lifegain, a +1/+1 counter, destroy enchantment, plus something underwhelming. depends how it is costed.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:12 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

note that the GR one is also a skullcrack if there's a deck that wants that effect and runs green

i was hoping that some of them would be more tightly designed like primal command from the original cycle where there were internal synergies between pairs of the abilities but so far other than the aforementioned skullcrack mode these are all just Here Are 4 Things These Colors Can Do

ciderpress, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:28 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

but it should go without saying that all of them are better than they look because they are 6 different spells on one card

ciderpress, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:31 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

gw one will obviously make a token since that's the one thing that none of the other 9 do at this point. this will probably also make it one of the strongest

ciderpress, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

makes sense

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 March 2015 14:39 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

damn, red is getting some cards in this set

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 9 March 2015 15:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Now this is interesting, maybe the most "pushed" version of this red draw effect yet. For Modern I would guess Epic Experiment is better but I do think someone will find a home for this, even as just a 2-of or whatever

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Thursday, 12 March 2015 11:42 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i was in the ballpark for the GW command i guess but i really didn't think they would put a fight on it. and with the low cmc the card seems pretty pushed. the no damage from a spell instead of lifegain option is pretty interesting, more narrow but more powerful.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 12 March 2015 18:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

just like the RG one, getting a 6-mode spell for 2 mana is insane regardless of how low-impact each mode is. these will be strong cards

ciderpress, Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:23 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

full spoiler is up, a lot of cool artwork in this set

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 13 March 2015 15:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

this set actually looks really fun to me on first glance. lots of good commons.

ciderpress, Friday, 13 March 2015 15:48 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Megamorph is a bit strange to me. Maybe because I'm so used to 5 mana being the key point for powerful morphs. In this set, there are a lot of ones for over 5 that just seem too costly for the effect, while the under 5s seem really good.

Also, the Rebound effects look really powerful.

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 13 March 2015 16:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

the exploit cards look really strong for limited to me, they let you draft a tighter curve without getting punished for it since you can cash in your early drops for more cards as they become irrelevant. the effects on the common ones are better than i was expecting.

ciderpress, Friday, 13 March 2015 19:05 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

hey iatee what's the status of that tasigur delver deck? you still happy with it? i'm looking to re-enter modern in the near future and i need to lock in on a deck

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 13:58 (5 days ago) Permalink

yeah very happy. it has a good game against every t1 deck and there are a lot of angles of attack - you can be the t1 delver deck or you can be the grindy snapcaster control deck, depending on what your opening hand looks like. I think the sb has yet to be 'solved' but the maindeck seems like it more or less has been (play deprives).

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:59 (5 days ago) Permalink

yeah i definitely like the deprives. do you run 18 land or 19?

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:07 (5 days ago) Permalink

or more? i think more is probably bad though

ciderpress, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:07 (5 days ago) Permalink

18. w/ 12 cantrips you still end up flooding more often than losing from screw ime.

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:10 (5 days ago) Permalink

(plus 3 electrolyze)

iatee, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:10 (5 days ago) Permalink


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