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There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (eight years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (eight years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (eight years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (eight years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

eh that makes a lot of sense

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I like having these in every set. It can be exciting to open them and give you some good value, but there isn't pressure to collect them since they aren't required for any deck. Taking the price burden off of Standard staples is definitely welcome.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 12 September 2016 19:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ok can someone explain why it takes the price burden off Standard staples. does it have something to do with how the value of every card in the set times the frequency they get opened cannot exceed some number due to market forces or what

frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp basically due to sets being printed to demand, the average value of cards in a booster box is fixed, which means adding a bunch of high value cards to the potential pool of opens brings everything else down

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

you see the effects of this pretty clearly in sets with high demand reprints like the fetchlands in khans - a lot of standard cards from those sets were close to bulk rares even during their run in standard, and a lot of the mythics that would normally have been $10+ were closer to $5 just because the fetchlands 'sucked up' so much of the set value from the other cards

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

you can see the effect in action right now actually:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/index/BFZ#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/index/SOI#paper

BFZ paper card prices are about 30% cheaper overall

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

eldritch moon hasn't fully stabilized yet but the numbers for OGW vs. it are pretty similar to those as well

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that's kinda crazy, I didn't think these would affect much since they're so rare. maybe I'm bitter because I never seem to pull any.

frogbs, Monday, 12 September 2016 19:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i never opened an expedition, though i wasn't drafting that block as frequently as some

ciderpress, Monday, 12 September 2016 20:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i played about a zillion drafts throughout BFZ & OGW and got exactly two of those expeditions, which, eh, okay i guess. it'll be nice if standard decks get a fair bit cheaper, though. maybe i'll end up playing standard after all.

davey, Monday, 12 September 2016 20:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

A friend of mine bought all my loose BFZ prize packs specifically to open an Expedition and did (bastard)

Vinnie, Monday, 12 September 2016 20:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

as much as i detest the racecar-style designs, the artwork design for the set in general, and on these inventions in particular, is outstanding

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 September 2016 22:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, the artwork is very nice. They somehow managed to make a steampunk set not embarrassing.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 12 September 2016 22:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

full set is up http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/kaladesh

looks pretty good

ciderpress, Friday, 16 September 2016 19:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

so after practicing with it for a day I took my friend's modern dredge deck to the wmcq and t32d. I was in t8 contention until pretty late when I had to call a judge over cause I forgot to deboard and I mulled to oblivion, losing a g1 is pretty bad for the deck.

beat a very salty seth manfield who made a judge waste 5 minutes of our time because I played a gemstone mine and put 1 counter on it instead of 3 when I was about to kill him.

anyway the deck seems super busted and probably underplayed relative to how strong it is.

iatee, Monday, 19 September 2016 03:30 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah i think its probably the most powerful modern deck but i didn't really enjoy playing it that much. it also gets a new card in kaladesh with the 1R discard 2, draw 3 spell.

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 03:41 (one week ago) Permalink

haha I have enjoyed playing it because I hate modern now and just want to watch it burn / beat up on 'srs' modern players playing bgx.

will be interesting to see how busted that new card is.

iatee, Monday, 19 September 2016 03:59 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm back to just playing scapeshift since it's my favorite deck and does a good job of beating up everything that isn't infect or death's shadow

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 04:29 (one week ago) Permalink

haha I hate valakut decks, esp the newer ones which are just super linear ramp

iatee, Monday, 19 September 2016 04:33 (one week ago) Permalink

my build is a prismatic omen version that i don't think has been on the radar in a few years but it still works about as well as the others

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 04:39 (one week ago) Permalink

well there's a standard deck that can cast emrakul on turn 4 now, time to see how consistent it can get

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 20:20 (one week ago) Permalink

what's the combo? emrakul seems like a horrible addition to standard, they really need to stop making playable timmy cards

iatee, Monday, 19 September 2016 21:21 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm back to just playing scapeshift since it's my favorite deck and does a good job of beating up everything that isn't infect or death's shadow

i ended up playing a bunch of r/g shift and breach in leagues leading up to the wmcq and enjoyed it a fair amount although i kind of hate modern. i was thinking abt messaging you actually cuz i knew you played it a bunch and we were having trouble w/ some of the postboard match-ups and various tech-y options (like is fog actually good &c)

( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 19 September 2016 21:58 (one week ago) Permalink

xp its not really a combo, its just the card aetherworks marvel + all the cheap energy producers. you can kinda jam them into an emrakul ramp deck i think.

lamp i haven't actually put much thought into the bad scapeshift matchups since i assume they're gonna make changes to modern before the next time i have to play it in a real event. currently i've got sudden shock for infect and not really anything for death's shadow.

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 22:16 (one week ago) Permalink

i think repeal is probably better than fog but i haven't played the matchups enough times to be sure

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 22:17 (one week ago) Permalink

hah yeah when I saw Aetherworks Marvel my first impression was uh...that's really dangerous

frogbs, Monday, 19 September 2016 22:19 (one week ago) Permalink

unfortunately my mtgo beta account got revoked for some reason so i cant test stuff atm like i was planning to

ciderpress, Monday, 19 September 2016 22:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Eldrich Moon gold cards often feel like traps in draft, but Kaladesh gold cards feel super pushed. Are some of these first pickable now even if it forces you into 2 colors?

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 00:17 (one week ago) Permalink

a few of them probably are e.g. cloudblazer or the 1RB kill spell

ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:12 (one week ago) Permalink

voltaic brawler and the UR thopter maker too. WB gravedigger guy is borderline and not sure if i'd ever first pick the others though some are quite good

ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 01:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I've first picked Lashweed Lurker from a weak pack but that's because it's not really a gold card

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 03:07 (one week ago) Permalink

my strategy for moon has been force ur or ug and lurker/geists are the really strong multicolor cards. pretty much ignore the others.

iatee, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 03:28 (one week ago) Permalink

seems like early reports have Smuggler's Copter as the strongest standard card in kaladesh, which sounds about right to me

ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 14:33 (one week ago) Permalink

my strategy for moon has been force ur or ug and lurker/geists are the really strong multicolor cards. pretty much ignore the others.

I'm amazed at how strong the UR deck can be, especially if you can wheel a Pyre Hound. I can't think of any other draft formats where UR spells is even remotely decent.

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 21:23 (one week ago) Permalink

it's been decent plenty of times but this is the first time since probably Guildpact that it's been the strongest archetype

ciderpress, Wednesday, 21 September 2016 22:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I dunno, UR Burning Vengeance in INN was good, and in both Ravnica formats it was one of the strongest guilds. Shadowmoor/Eventide too. But I agree UR is particularly good right now. I think Pyre Hound is one of the weaker reward cards for the archetype, which says a lot. You got me thinking what the weakest two-color combo historically has been for limited though. BG almost always seems to be awful or at least on the lower end, Infect in Scars block one exception

Vinnie, Thursday, 22 September 2016 03:00 (one week ago) Permalink

BG has been good for quite a lot of recent years (except in BFZ)

i think historically it's one of the white color pairs, probably WB? white has been the worst color in a lot of formats

ciderpress, Thursday, 22 September 2016 03:51 (one week ago) Permalink

might be GW or UG if you include the pre-modern sets, just because removal was so strong back then

ciderpress, Thursday, 22 September 2016 03:54 (one week ago) Permalink

WB was the other one I was thinking about for worst. I agree that GW used to be flat out the worst, back in the days when green and white had basically no removal

Vinnie, Thursday, 22 September 2016 06:24 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah the presence of all the 'fight' commons and having at least one Pacifism variant per set definitely helps there. my problem with GW is that it usually doesn't have the fun synergy that other decks have and as a result you get landlocked a lot.

frogbs, Thursday, 22 September 2016 12:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I went to my first Kaladesh prerelease today and opened a thoroughly mediocre pile of cards. I had plenty of removal, but nothing in the way of power. So I decided, since I didn't have anything else going on, that I might as well jam my 4 copies of Self-Assembler into my deck and see what happens. Suffice it to say, I ended up with a deck that annoyed the hell out of my opponents.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 25 September 2016 04:06 (five days ago) Permalink

that card is pretty good if you have 2-4 of them

ciderpress, Sunday, 25 September 2016 04:33 (five days ago) Permalink

I had 4, although I mostly played with just 3 as the fourth was putting too much pressure on my curve.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Sunday, 25 September 2016 04:35 (five days ago) Permalink


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