― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (13 years ago) Permalink
if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.
when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.
i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (13 years ago) Permalink
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (13 years ago) Permalink
if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.
Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (13 years ago) Permalink
― fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (13 years ago) Permalink
dude i was like fifteen ...
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (13 years ago) Permalink
― A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (13 years ago) Permalink
Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (13 years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (13 years ago) Permalink
I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?
― Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (13 years ago) Permalink
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (13 years ago) Permalink
― webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (13 years ago) Permalink
Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?
― Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (13 years ago) Permalink
A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.
What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.
― Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (13 years ago) Permalink
* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (12 years ago) Permalink
― stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (12 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (12 years ago) Permalink
The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.
― Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (11 years ago) Permalink
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (11 years ago) Permalink
i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.
― ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (8 years ago) Permalink
a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (8 years ago) Permalink
also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (8 years ago) Permalink
We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.
― nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (8 years ago) Permalink
you should have been more intimidated by their allowances
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (8 years ago) Permalink
and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (8 years ago) Permalink
that is correct i am calling you bustas out
what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet
― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink
haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.
i think it's really fun now though.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (8 years ago) Permalink
ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (8 years ago) Permalink
people should all be blown up
in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (8 years ago) Permalink
i was obviously a magic player
green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (8 years ago) Permalink
if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (8 years ago) Permalink
I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (8 years ago) Permalink
god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course
― brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (8 years ago) Permalink
my best nerd days are ahead of me still.
― bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (8 years ago) Permalink
mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50
― max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (8 years ago) Permalink
and my color selections were more noise
haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.
― burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (8 years ago) Permalink
blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (8 years ago) Permalink
i had two revised royal assassins
maybe more, hell if i remember
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (8 years ago) Permalink
at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (8 years ago) Permalink
i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature
― deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (8 years ago) Permalink
i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (8 years ago) Permalink
I'm glad the PT introduced a bit more variety into Standard when it was threatening to be very narrow. Still trying to sort out what I can plan without going broke. I have a b/w Eldrazi list that I really like, but it's just a bit too weak against the field.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 28 April 2016 12:20 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah good format so far
― ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 12:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
draft format isn't that much like innistrad though except for the werewolf tension
― ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 13:01 (1 week ago) Permalink
anyone on here tried out Hex? graphically, it looks almost like a copy of Duels. A bunch of pros are promoting it, don't know if it is any good though.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 28 April 2016 13:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
Draft thus far has been really fun, I love formats that make you reevaluate cards that wouldn't be playable in other sets. A good example is Macabre Waltz, or the 1/1 W dude where you can discard to tap a creature. Some of the madness-oriented decks are crazy - I've won and lost a few games on god draws, which strangely I kinda missed.
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:01 (1 week ago) Permalink
b/r mad vamps in soi is by miles the highest variance archetype since i started playing. i guess i appreciate its role in the limited environment but i can't stand playing it and find it super aggravating to lose to.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:09 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah, having some early discard outlets is very important. Makes something like Tormenting Voice a much higher pick than something like Murderer's Axe.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
insolent neonate the 1 drop sac/discard/draw guy in your opening hand is either a turn 3 5 drop or a mulligan.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:18 (1 week ago) Permalink
btw - this is a pretty useful tool for MTGO players wondering how the events stack up in terms of EV:
basically, you need to win 64% of the time for the competitive league to be better EV than the friendlies (among harder competition too) - does anyone have a winrate that high?
― frogbs, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:19 (1 week ago) Permalink
some of the pools i have opened, if i saw 9 games stretching out in front of me i would uninstall mtgo and get on with my life
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:23 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah madness is a fun mechanic but at the same time if you have a discard outlet, 'draw a card, cheat something into play' just feels a tad overpowered for fair limited play. and if you don't have a discard outlet you play with a bunch of underpowered cards.
― iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
yeah i'm not a big fan of cost reduction madness in limited, doesn't feel necessary to make the mechanic good. would rather madness cost was just always the same as the normal cost
― ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
madness already adds instant speed and generally puts you up a card, that's good enough!
― ciderpress, Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:00 (1 week ago) Permalink
running GW tokens deck list for game day this weeknd XD
it's gonna be my first entry into standard since type ii was a thing
― davey, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:05 (1 week ago) Permalink
had very mixed results with the vampires deck in ltd. seems like a few decks want the key cards so it's hard to get it to come together
― davey, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:06 (1 week ago) Permalink
I got wrecked by a madness deck at the prerelease. Reckless Scholar is insane if the rest of your pool supports it. I might play some draft next week, it does seem a lot of fun.
Standard actually seems fun now, judging by the PT. I liked both Brad's GR Goggles deck and LSV's BG Aristrocrats deck. But I don't it looks fun enough to shell out the $$$.
I've just started buying into Legacy, built a Solidairty (reset-tide) deck and am now putting together a UW Stoneblade deck.
I don't know where anyone here is located, but I'll probably be playing Modern this Sunday at Channel Fireball.
― Andrew (nf), Friday, 29 April 2016 01:42 (1 week ago) Permalink
think you might be the only west coast person on this thread.
yeah this is the first time since innistrad/rtr where I've actually been interested in multiple standard decks, but I don't have enough time to both play it + other formats regularly, so I'm still not gonna buy a deck.
― iatee, Friday, 29 April 2016 02:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
Seasons past is a sweet one, such an absurd card
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 29 April 2016 02:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
I had Seasons Past in my prerelease pool. Won all the games that I drew it. It is crazy and great.
― Andrew (nf), Friday, 29 April 2016 04:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
Yeah Seasons Past is nutty. Just lost my deciding final match for prize in a sealed league cause of that card
― Vinnie, Friday, 29 April 2016 13:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
tried drafting RB vampires again last night as it seemed open. i ended up with a cohesive deck with a good curve, but it kept running out of gas and i went 1-2. might've missed a play or two that could've swung a match my way, but all 3 matches were so close. i'm wondering what the contrarian drafting strategies might be. my experiment with UW failed, but i haven't tried the RB spells deck yet. my opponent drew that BW enchantment that gives his creatures skulk all three games, so it was the bane of my existence for that match.
anyway the set seems really well balanced over all. idk, maybe winning just depends on how well you can read what gets passed to you and balancing that with how pushy you can be to force a deck, if you open bombs.
― davey, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 20:34 (2 days ago) Permalink
i've done well so far mostly with GB delirium decks, and i had one good UR spells deck too
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:01 (2 days ago) Permalink
gonna draft with some actual good players today, curious to see what they're prioritizing
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:04 (2 days ago) Permalink
I've had success with B/W, not a very 'natural' pairing for this set but it works better than I thought. The white guy that lets you discard to tap something can lead to some insane blowout games if you got the right Madness cards.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:34 (2 days ago) Permalink
oh yeah, I forget about the GB delirium deck, haven't tried it yet. seems like lots of fun. and B/W is certainly not as bad as it's cracked up to be. good luck, ciderpress, let us know how it goes!
― davey, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:48 (2 days ago) Permalink
I've had lots of good r/b decks at this point, I've probably drafted it the most. I think the key common is actually insolent neonate, get in for a few few points of damage then cheat something big into play on t3 + draw a card is really strong.
b/w doesn't have many payoff cards but it's still okay. u/w spirits is solid, not really contrarian. g/b delirium is very good, you get to play w/ a lot of good cards that just become better cards if you hit delirium.
the good u/g decks are the scariest to face, since when they go off (w/ all the key uncommon cards) they can build basically unbeatable boards. if I'm playing blue I either want to have that deck or like 10 flyers.
I 3-0'd with a 16 plains monowhite aggro deck, which was a lot of fun. prob not gonna be viable that often.
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:49 (2 days ago) Permalink
if you open thalia's lieutenant or always watching (I actually had neither) I think it's worth trying
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 21:51 (2 days ago) Permalink
Speaking of the UG decks you just mentioned, Ongoing Investigation has been so daunting to play against. It's good even in a non-green deck, but ridiculous in UG
― Vinnie, Thursday, 5 May 2016 04:51 (Yesterday) Permalink
Can't trade guys, can't let guys through. Can't win, basically
― Vinnie, Thursday, 5 May 2016 04:52 (Yesterday) Permalink
the worst thing is, not only do they draw their deck but they also can gain a ton of life w/ the various ug pieces, so you can't even really race them after they've 'gone off'
― iatee, Thursday, 5 May 2016 04:54 (Yesterday) Permalink
as expected all of the synergy decks depend on uncommons to really fire. one key way they vary is on how much they struggle if you don't get them or draw them. i love the UG deck but the commons can be underpowered, especially if you are fighting over green cards, so if you don't draw one of the good enchantments or the mole you can find yourself with a bunch of cards that don't do a great deal. green and white are the deepest at common so i do tend to favour those - those colours are supporting two quite different decks in delirium and aggro humans but even if you get caught halfway between it's not necessarily a disaster. i have seen some ppl disparage the colour pair but i think my favourite archetype is BW delirium/recursion. not only does that deck have some of the best uncommons it is also pretty strong at common. if you can get a couple each of the black 2 drop and white 3 drop that exile from the yard for tokens you just have plays for days.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 5 May 2016 14:40 (Yesterday) Permalink
GR werewolves is solid, hardly ever really bad and deep enough to be hard to get totally cut out of. because of that i feel okay taking a chance on a pick 2 howlpack resurgance whereas i'd feel a lot more iffy about say a masquerade at that point. BU seems really bad, hardly any of the common zombies are good so the tribal theme is kind of lame. a couple of the uncommon guy that grants deathtouch would make me feel better about 1/3 skaabs clogging up my deck i guess. and the gold rare is so disappointing.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 5 May 2016 14:50 (Yesterday) Permalink
the BG macabre waltz or morbid plunder or whatever-the-current-set's-equivalent-is deck is good in almost every limited format (BFZ/OGW was an exception sadly due to green being awful tokens nonsense) and my friend and i have been abusing it for a long time since it's always underdrafted around here
― ciderpress, Thursday, 5 May 2016 15:23 (Yesterday) Permalink
magic documentary on netflix is zzzzzzzzzzz. even rufus agreed with me and he lives for magic. not enough inside baseball. the magic people produced it so they probably wanted it as cuddly as possible.
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 May 2016 20:53 (Yesterday) Permalink
competitive magic players are mostly boring people is the problem, i think you could make a good doc about magic but framing it around pro players isn't the most entertaining approach
― ciderpress, Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:10 (Yesterday) Permalink
I actually thought the more personal parts where you learn a bit about their lives was the strongest aspect of the film. Didn't really tell much about actually playing the game and the whole PT drama felt very rushed to where it wasn't really dramatic at all, I couldn't get very invested in the ups and downs of the competition because they zipped through it all so quickly.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 5 May 2016 21:28 (Yesterday) Permalink
I thought the doc did a good job giving an overview of the PT, and I thought it was dramatic enough. Though you're probably right, Scott, that if outsiders had made it we'd get a different perspective. I agree that the personal parts were the most interesting, the only parts that were new for me
― Vinnie, Thursday, 5 May 2016 23:25 (Yesterday) Permalink
I realize this ain't the brag thread but I just 9-0'd one of those new leagues with a R/W deck. Had "only" 2 rares, Bygone Bishop and Burn From Within. MVP card was the 2x Expose Evil - what a workhorse that was.
― frogbs, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:41 (15 hours ago) Permalink
Not that we have a brag thread. but hey. made me feel good.
forgot to mention. only 1 loss in all 9 matches. I did pull a shit ton of games out of my ass though
― frogbs, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:43 (15 hours ago) Permalink
i just would have liked more info and facts. they spent very little time on the origin of the game. the inspiration behind it. and were just vague in general about how it got so big. an outside doc might have delved into the money aspect of it more too. how huge of a company it is. how much the pro players make. as rufus said: it didn't really tell him anything that he didn't already know. there is one scene where "The Innovator" is discussing strategy to a crowd and they cut him off after about five seconds. i would have actually liked to hear more from him. it was interesting and i don't even play.
similar actually to the pro video game doc i watched on netflix. those games that tombot likes to watch. they did the same kinda inspirational/generic sports profile thing with the top players but didn't go very deep.
― scott seward, Friday, 6 May 2016 01:51 (15 hours ago) Permalink
yeah the doc isn't well designed for an outsider while not really giving much to the insiders, so it felt kinda pointless. I don't think the guys who made it wanted to make an advertisement but their hands were tied and any interesting storyline probably woulda been 'negative' on some level. pro players don't make a lot of money and live pretty bleak lives. there is an interesting story there but not one that the wizards pr department is gonna fund.
― iatee, Friday, 6 May 2016 02:14 (14 hours ago) Permalink
I think they could have easily improved on it just by making it maybe 30 minutes longer. But then I'm perfectly content to watch endless hours of mtg videos day in and out, so perhaps I'm not the best judge.
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 6 May 2016 02:32 (14 hours ago) Permalink