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There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

blue + black deck, my sengir vampires and royal assassins were so so gangster.

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

i had two revised royal assassins

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

maybe more, hell if i remember

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

at my 10th bday party i beat the rich kid in magic even tho i had no allowance, i had birthday money and was a HUSTLER with trades

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

i think sometimes i threw in some green too, but only if u could throw all mana down first turn and i would use it solely for my force of nature

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

8/8

deej, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

i have a shivan dragon signed by the lady what painted it ;_;

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

had a good on camera miracles blowout match earlier in the day too

iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Sorry for the loss, but that's an awesome run and a great finish either way! Now I'm eager to see your footage. I missed most of today's coverage because I was busy playing like crap at a modern 1K.

Moodles, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:19 (one week ago) Permalink

playing your usual death&taxes deck? i didn't see any of the coverage

ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:19 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah dnt w/ red splash

iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:27 (one week ago) Permalink

what's the red for now that there's a white recruiter?

ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:28 (one week ago) Permalink

oh moon man

ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:29 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah moon in the main and cunning sparkmage and pia kiran in the board

iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:32 (one week ago) Permalink

I beat elves twice w/ those cards and elves is a total nightmare matchup

iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:32 (one week ago) Permalink

that's good shit dude, sorry you just missed

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 10 April 2017 02:40 (one week ago) Permalink

looks like Roar of the Wurm is back and even better

frogbs, Monday, 10 April 2017 21:26 (one week ago) Permalink

amused at all the people getting mad about the cycling force spike because it's not miscalculation. that's a pretty good card!

ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 21:33 (one week ago) Permalink

I think this card will be quite good

iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 22:22 (one week ago) Permalink

it seems like drake haven is getting enough support to be a deck, without even seeing all the black cycling cards yet

ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 23:16 (one week ago) Permalink

I was gonna say, Censor looks like a card that will definitely get Standard play

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 02:09 (one week ago) Permalink

amused at all the people getting mad about the cycling force spike because it's not miscalculation. that's a pretty good card!

I know everyone on ilx etc etc but reddit really has been uniquely maddening this spoiler season, the particular blend of entitlement and metronome-regular getting every single card-evaluation wrong is so unbearable

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:13 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah the reddit MTG crowd is especially whiny. I mean most Magic online communities are but Reddit definitely seems a bit worse. Censor definitely looks like it'll see some play - it's worse than Miscalculation but I like that you can cycle it Turn 1 if you have a Turn 2 play, for example.

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:20 (one week ago) Permalink

cool planeswalker design alert

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:03 (one week ago) Permalink

i wouldnt even look at the mtg reddit if it wasn't the board that's the fastest at getting all the preview card links in one place

ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:05 (one week ago) Permalink

jk i would still look at it to read all the bad takes

ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

idk why nissa is blue now but that's at least an interesting pw card

ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

interplay between the 1st and 2nd ability is super sweet design imo. should stay on the good side of swingy rather than the marvel side. just seems like it has a ton of play to it, strong but pretty balanced.

oh yeah, didn't even think about the blue. weird

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:08 (one week ago) Permalink

zombie lord looks decent. interesting having that at uncommon. zombie deck will be overdrafted every time, clearly has ackbar.jpg written all over it.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:15 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah that Nissa design is cool, even if the ultimate is a bit underwhelming. Scry 2 is pretty interesting since you can't put either on the bottom for it to work with the 2nd ability. Also I was kinda wondering when they'd do a 'walker with an X in the cost

Green god looks awesome

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:26 (one week ago) Permalink

the ultimate is only underwhelming if you were expecting to be able to cast a 8 mana 'you win the game' or whatever, and that didn't work out so well with emrakul. it has to be something that doesn't auto-win.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:28 (one week ago) Permalink

its more the fact that the lands revert at end of turn, you'd expect a Nissa ultimate to make them creatures permanently

that said it is kind of an instant 10 damage in a lot of cases, so maybe not so bad

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 16:06 (one week ago) Permalink

whoa Harsh Mentor seems like a pretty efficient combo killer and potentially maindeckable, if the environment's right

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 15:44 (one week ago) Permalink

doesn't trigger on planeswalker activated abilities :(

ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 17:13 (one week ago) Permalink

it's def gonna see legacy play, prob has some role in modern

iatee, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 17:49 (one week ago) Permalink

someone's going to make a hilarious deck with this:

http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/shadowofthegrave.html

frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:01 (one week ago) Permalink

looks like it has the potential to cause mischief somewhere

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:05 (one week ago) Permalink

that looks like a card that does something in eternal formats if anywhere

ciderpress, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:21 (one week ago) Permalink

very good with Contract from Below

frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:41 (one week ago) Permalink

I think this is good:

http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/hieroglyphicillumination.html

missed this card yesterday, think there's a potentially very fun Improvise deck brewing here. if I was still building Standard decks I'd take something like this to FNM

http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/harvestseason.html

frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:59 (one week ago) Permalink

With the cycling Shatter, a green Manic Vandal, and Shatterstorm x-spell, looks like there is a lot more Standard playable hate for artifacts

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:02 (one week ago) Permalink

i think standard looks pretty grim if they drag their feet on banning saheeli combo again.

ciderpress, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:28 (one week ago) Permalink

set is very interesting for limited on first look through. there's some extreme durdle/value but also hellbent aggro in red and huge efficient beaters in green. an the former might be string enough not to be totally crowded out by the latter. the uncommon 2U instant bounce tapped creature cantrip is going to be first pickable is my prediction, with things like the cartouches, but also all of these giant idiots that come into play way undercosted but make you put -1/-1s on your own stuff. there are a few 1/3s and 1/4s that may be in demand because of that theme too.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 14 April 2017 16:13 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm surprised at the raw volume of cards with cycling - last time they brought it back in alara i don't remember nearly this much

ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

though they didn't do cycling-matters in that set iirc, it was just a smoothing mechanic there

ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

does seem like a 'cycling deck' will actually be a viable thing in draft

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:30 (one week ago) Permalink

other observation is the common creature quality is really high - and in addition to that a few colors have an extra creature over what they usually do (black and red have an extra 2-drop, blue has an extra 3-drop).

ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:37 (one week ago) Permalink

fall set is called Ixalan, sounds as if that'll be the mesoamerica-themed thing we saw fake booster art for previously

also GP Providence in september will be a release weekend event for it (team sealed)

ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:32 (five days ago) Permalink

makes sense, nice idea for a theme tho kind of funny right on the heels of amonkhet. also, i wonder how they are pronouncing that.

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:40 (five days ago) Permalink

oh cool I'm def gonna go to that gp

iatee, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:41 (five days ago) Permalink


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