2008 Primaries Thread

maybe mccain should ask dick cheney to pick out a vp for him

yes, in case he needs to succeed the pres in an emergency.

same reason bill cant be hill's veep.

xxp

on the anecdotal evidence front I found out today that my dad voted for Obama in the Missouri primary. he's voted for a few Dems here and there but always Republicans for prez since '84 (if I remember it right he literally changed his mind on the way to the polls and voted for Reagan over Mondale).

it's an open primary so you can participate on whatever side you want, my mom voted for McCain.

one more - Rob Portman. Economic experience/comfortably within the biz wing, the right age, and Ohio. Would do zero to please the religious right, but don't know that anything in his record would explicitly offend them either.

Hillary Rodham Clinton told roaring partisans she's the candidate of "dreams and practicality"

YOUR CAKE: now you can have it AND eat it! oops j/k lol

Mackro daria's just taking issue with your gender-specific verbiage

lol, gonads are gender neutral, dude. I no longer use the phrase "grow some balls" nor "grow some ovaries"

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has now raised $8 million on-line since the polls closed Tuesday, Howard Wolfson, the campaign’s spokesman, just announced on a conference call. He said the campaign has acquired 75,000 new donors and has raised a total of $10 million since Feb. 1.

He said that Mrs. Clinton’s giving of $5 million to herself acted as a prompt to her supporters who, he said, weren’t aware that she needed the money.

Mrs. Clinton has been in a money race with Senator Barack Obama, who raised $32 million in January, nearly triple the contributions to her campaign.

btw, here's Ambinder's post w/ comments - http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/mccain_veepstakes.php#comments

someone there brings up Carly Fiorina, who has endorsed and appeared with McCain

true, testicles and ovaries are TYPES of gonads

Mr Goodman, perhaps you know -- I've heard that the $5million loan to her campaign was already paid back to her from those recent contributions. Is that true?

in which case, she may be keeping up the fundraising pace but she's still behind

http://static.flickr.com/48/175339223_b79d4d2008_o.jpg
Stop! Stop! If you interrupt the mating dance the male will become enraged and maul us with his fearsome gonad!

McCain/Zoidberg '08

Slogan: "Stop staring at those weird things on our faces."

has this been posted before?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk
^
hillary's appeal to the youth vote

hahaha, it might have worked better if they didn't portray her as someone who's going to stick with you until something better somes along and then she'll unceremoniously quit your band

Just when I though nothing could possibly be more annoying than the "Yes We Can" video...

key arena's full, 17k+

Another Carter parallel/irony:

Super-delegates were created after the insurgent outsider campaigns of then Sen. George McGovern, D-SD, and former Gov. Jimmy Carter of Georgia, secured the Democratic party nominations in 1972 and 1976, respectively. The idea was to return some power to party officials. Political scientist Rhodes Cook has said super-delegates were created as a "firewall to blunt any party outsider that built up a head of steam in the primaries."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html

Mr. Shuster yesterday asked during an interview whether “Chelsea is sort of being pimped out in some weird sort of way?” by making calls to superdelegates. He is supposed to be making an on-air apology later tonight.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e149/mikey_0341/bill-clinton-pimp.jpg

jergins speaks truth

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004171983_webobama08m.html

Officials closed the entrances to KeyArena at about 11 this morning, turning away thousands who had gathered to hear Barack Obama speak at noon.

Doors were locked after KeyArena reached its capacity of 20,000, officials said. Those who made it inside were not allowed to leave because police wanted to keep those outside from forcing themselves in. People outside were banging on doors and windows of the arena, as police were trying to maintain peace.

Seattle police sent officers outside into the crowd to physically push people away from the doors so that no one would get crushed or trampled.

William Spiritdancer, of Seattle's Central District, pulled his four children — ages 7 to 14 — out of school to see Obama speak. The teachers were cool about it, he said

lolz

hahahaha

I don't agree with the strain of allegedly sexist comments coming from MSNBC talking heads, but what does Clinton stand to gain by threatening not to debate on that network anymore? "The press hates Hillary" storyline has another chapter now, I guess.

Super-delegates were created after the insurgent outsider campaigns of McGovern and Carter...The idea was to return some power to party officials.

It really is true that democracy peaked in America in the '70s.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n246/dmchenry_2006/19978_BlackJesus_Pg23_WEB.jpg

thats_racist.gif

naw j/k

Here a possible angle:

Democratic Presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton will meet in a televised debate in Cleveland on Feb. 26, after a day haggling over whether there would be any debate in Ohio at all before the state's March 4 primary.

The Obama campaign put out a news release shortly after 7 p.m. saying it had agreed to a debate sponsored by NBC and its affiliate in Cleveland, WKYC, that would be broadcast in all Ohio media markets, including Cincinnati.

That's from this morning.

I'm confused, what's the angle?

Hillary presses for weekly debates; Obama says he'll agree to two -- in Ohio and Texas, where she is favored, and probably would prefer not to debate. Hillary campaign seizes on dumb talking head comments to stop to negotiate a debate at a different location / different network.

I could just be spinning conspiracy theories, though. When you get immersed in so much chatter it gets confusing trying to connect up different bits of information.

I will seriously be much happier and less distracted once this shit is settled and I can regain relative sanity until at least October.

is no one going to call out my crackpot theory? ugh

Well, it appears that that is the debate that they are threatening to walk out on - so the theory's not looking that crackpot to me.

well, defending chelsea's honor, even if it is disingenuous, is a pretty ironclad reason -- i don't think anyone but internerds would float the idea that the clinton campaign is leveraging the remark against her daughter for political advantage

I agree with Shuster tho.

Rep. David Obey (D-WI) endorses Obama, btw

OBEY

I see two problems with your theory.

1. This was largely a complaint from the ground that snowballed into an issue that Senator Clinton was forced to address. I received three e-mail’s about it before the campaign officially commented on the remarks.

2. Senator Clinton needs to debate. Policy is her largest asset and we’ve only reached real policy discussion in the last two weeks.

3. Most importantly, wouldn’t you defend your daughter?

lol. three.

xxxxxpost : Charlie Crist totally weirds me out:

http://www.floridafaf.org/images/crist_color_sm.jpg

I know he's from Floria and everything but geesh.. he is sooo tan

No one in their right mind would think that Shuster meant "pimp" literally though - so the taking offense does seem a bit overdone - but it's not like the Clinton camp has much to lose by making it an issue. Either they get an apology from the network, which makes them look good and gets a favorable story for them (ie., the media has an anti-Clinton bias) in the cycle for a day, or else they get to skip a debate that tactically probably wouldn't help them much anyway.

Joe fuckin' Klein, accusing Obama of "messianic" tendencies:

Rather than focusing on any specific issue or cause — other than an amorphous desire for change — the message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is...There is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama's stump speech: it is always the same. It sets his audiences afire, but it does not reach very far beyond them. It is no accident that Obama is nearly invincible in caucus states, where the ability to mobilize a hard core of activists is key — but not so strong in primaries, where more diverse masses of people are involved. He should be very worried that this nomination is likely to be decided in the big working-class primary states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

he wasn't attacking Chelsea though. I mean, maybe his choice of words was misguided, but he didn't say anything that was egregiously wrong

I know he's from Floria and everything but geesh.. he is sooo tan

There's rumors that the sunshine's not the only thing he likes about Florida.

There is an odd, anachronistic formality to Obama's stump speech: it is always the same.

aren't stump speeches always the same? (genuinely asking)

(i mean, yea i know stump speeches are tweaked for particular audiences, and obama does that anyways, but in general, we refer to a candidate's stump speech, singular, not one's stump speeches)

obama-haters are seriously reaching.

He should be very worried that this nomination is likely to be decided in the big working-class primary states of Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania.

this is probably true, though, and it worries me.