Mr. Show with Bob and David: Genius or Overrated?

xpost sic - I guess I was just thinking about the lack of denials or clarity from anyone at all. Didn’t necessarily expect him to tweet out a denial himself, but figured there might be at least something from one of his (semi) famous friends if it definitely wasn’t him. The silence says a lot at this point, IMO.

I meant that a handful of tweets also aren’t anything that a publicist ought to issue statements about, either. If he wasn’t there, no point in giving it oxygen. If, as ppl who know him tweeted, he was there but didn’t intend to storm the capitol, better to argue that to the FBI than to the press. (If he did storm the capitol, same deal.)

Like, before Twitter, we might expect to hear something either way in 2-3 months.

yeah exactly - if i were him there would be no way that i would engage with this publicly, whether its true or not.

He's a comedian! If I were him and it wasn't me I would make a funny joke about it. If I was him and it *was* me, I would remain dead silent, because I am either lawyering up, turning myself in to the FBI, both, or fleeing/hiding like a fugitive. He's got so many famous and funny friends and colleagues who are very vocal, and very present on social media, and the fact that (for once) they haven't said anything, either (other than to initially confirm it), really says it all.

Like, in what world does an actor and comedian get accidentally branded a wanted fugitive by the FBI and *not* say something? If it's not true, that shit is kind of funny. At the least I wouldn't want to be accidentally captured by some comedian bounty hunter.

Let's stop kidding ourselves, it's him. And all his peers have remained silent because of course they will. As someone said above the silence speaks volumes here.

At the least I wouldn't want to be accidentally captured by some comedian bounty hunter.

Updog's methods are brutal but he gets results.

I imagine Updog the Bounty Hunter looks a bit like buff Carrot Top.

so Carrot Top then

I'd run from him for sure.

So it doesn’t seem like those that identified him originally actually denied it, they just backtracked a bit so that someone else would have to do the official identification.

Essentially, yeah.

People claiming it isn't him seem to be conveniently ignoring the other piece of damning evidence, appearing on a Proud Boy podcast.

Maybe he was doing a bit.

positively Lunar

Ah, yes, the old pretending to be a Nazi troll with the Nazi trolls to own the, er, wait who now?

Tim's backpedal/deletion is pretty shitty, reeks of omerta. He's more than happy to pick his targets but when one target is too close to home he chooses to self-censor.

maybe he just doesn't want to have to deal with the FBI

Yeah, I read it more as a, "oh shit, maybe I should just stay out this" than anything else. But, who knows.

Sam Seder and Andy Kindler (who also do voices on Bob's Burgers) talked about it on air and were pretty positive it was him. Seems like they wouldn't have touched on a co-worker if they weren't sure.

I don't think Tim wants to be "the source" but it's already too late. Appears as simple as that.

yeah Tim is pretty online savvy, I think he might've assumed this was gonna be confirmed right away and when it wasn't he didn't want to be on record as the guy saying it. don't think it has anything to do with protecting him, otherwise he wouldn't have said anything in the first place

the thing I am finding weird is the need for confirmation from comedians who weren't there when we have pictures of him there, you can see him, he's there. It's not like he doesn't have a distinctive look.

Various other comedy people have posted that Johnston has rabbit-holed in concert with a drug and alcohol problem.

I just think it's kinda funny that reddit basically figured out 75% of the people photographed by like the 8th of January, but this has been out for 4 or 5 days now and the collective response is still, "welp, sure looks like him, but we'll never know".

I don't think Tim wants to be "the source" but it's already too late. Appears as simple as that.

He specifically said so in a patreon blog.

Boy it really looked like him! So I sent it around to a few friends, and wrote Nick... "is it him?" He said he thought it was, and had heard it was confirmed through a friend. I was feeling impatient and couldn't find anything more official on the internet, so I went to twitter to ask if it had been confirmed or debunked. a few minutes later I got a DM from a friend who is (was) friends with Jay who confirmed it, telling me Jay had sent pics from the Capitol on the day... So, in my replies someone wrote to me that it wasn't him because of the shape of his ears or some shit... anyway, I wrote back saying it was him, and somehow that became the official on twitter! The verified proof that Jay "Mr Show" Johnston has the FBI on his tail!

well, I also think the confirmation issue based off just the picture is kinda complicated by the Chuck Norris look-alike who was there, but which was very quickly squashed after it started trending on Twitter with a formal denial/alibi from Norris himself, which surely hasn't happened in this case.

xps

I just think it's kinda funny that reddit basically figured out 75% of the people photographed by like the 8th of January, but this has been out for 4 or 5 days now and the collective response is still, "welp, sure looks like him, but we'll never know".

yeah it always bums me out when ppl (often reddit) exhibit the thinking "[performer x] would never do that - they were on such-and-such show, and i imagine that everyone involved in that show is basically like me!"

"if you closely examine the subtle curvature of the left ear in photo #2, its proof that everyone who does a voice on bobs burgers would totally be my friend if we knew each other in real life!"

yeah shit like that happens sometimes. I happen to have a friend who looks very much like Nic Cage (though he's about 20 years younger) and he gets hounded all the time about it. in fact, many people don't believe him when he says he ISN'T Nic Cage, because they assume the real Nic Cage would say that as well. so yeah while it's very very likely it is him there's a small chance it wasn't. that said the fact that this guy hasn't put out a statement or had one of his friends do it says it all - I don't care that he's off Twitter, obviously he knows this is happening

your friend is totally Nic Cage

yeah for real, mr humblbrag over here. "i have this friend who looks just like nic cage, although he always denies it" ok ok we get it

frogbs's friend on a rural holiday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6i2WRreARo

Speaking of humblebrag, people say I look like Aaron Rodgers but not so much that they wonder how I escaped Clonus.

you don't say???

https://i.imgur.com/kNXl5Jm.png

I got a book about how I keep doing stuff no matter what coming out pic.twitter.com/2YsJFSo31Z

— Mr. Bob Odenkirk (@mrbobodenkirk) April 28, 2021

I'll definitely check that out, dude has had such an interesting career arc.

Has there ever been anything else about Johnston, one way or another?

Eww, Girl, Eww

so was Jay at the insurrection? it seemed obvious but the story dried up after March

Damn

Doesn't Odenkirk have a new film? Is it out yet? From what I read about it, it seems like a pretty misguided vigilante action flick -- he said in an interview that he was inspired to do it because his house was burgled once. Okay, but right now in particular seems like really bad timing for that. He did also basically say that he regards Mr Show as a highlight of his career.

So much analysis of David Cross' personality here, heh. The Subpop CD was classic standup to me, but I stopped paying much attention after that. Aside from the bit about eating gold foil, the one about racist zombies seems like it was also quite rich. Although if I listened to it now, his liberal (sarcastic, but still) use of the N-word might ruin it.

Overall though I think he's a well-meaning guy, not nearly in the league of smug bitterness as Bill Maher. Cross reminds me very much of friends who were picked on a lot as kids, never had much of a support network, and who developed alcohol dependency as adults. That alcoholic perpetual bitterness is pretty distinctive IMO.

Odenkirk's movie is out, it's by ppl involved w/ John Wick so it's getting v postive reviews, and from what I've heard a big part of it is dude just wanting to live his life and the toxic masculinity of neighbours and his own son pushing him towards violence. Agree the timing's bad but I think it's been received as a fun action movie more than right-wing screed.

Nobody strenuously avoids any right-wing inflammatory content (he even has a buddy played by the RZA who helps him out) and makes the villains Russians, as safe a move as you can get. It's just a silly John Wick rip-off, no one could mistake it for Death Wish.

Saul I needed to hear

so was Jay at the insurrection? it seemed obvious but the story dried up after March

I've been wondering what happens if he somehow avoids charges and how long the people in that circle of comedy can avoid talking about it.

indefinitely? I don't think he has any projects going on so why would it need to come up?

maybe Jay was just trying to get directions on how to get AWAY from there

Odenkirk's movie is out, it's by ppl involved w/ John Wick so it's getting v postive reviews, and from what I've heard a big part of it is dude just wanting to live his life and the toxic masculinity of neighbours and his own son pushing him towards violence. Agree the timing's bad but I think it's been received as a fun action movie more than right-wing screed.

― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 25 June 2021 10:09 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

It builds along these lines, has a pretty cracking twist and everything in the last forty mins is nonsense

Fills a wick gap but don't go running to the cinema

Its not about toxic masculinity and it pretty much is a right wing screed