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phew - i haven't been right in WEEKS!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I just don't get the whole "ironic DJ" thing at all, in any context. And even more confounding are the people who come and dance along. If you don't REALLY like the music, then don't play it (or dance to it). If you DO really like it, then have the balls to admit it.

And as far as hipsters go, we have plenty of them in the Mission. It cracks me up how much time and money people will spend in order to look bad (ironically, of course!).

schwantz, Friday, 26 August 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's about being nasty, people come to grind on each other," said Casady, 23. "It's like friends being sexual with each other."

Casady was raised in Santa Barbara, Calif., but quickly notes her worldliness by listing the cities where she has lived along the trail to Brooklyn. A regular Kill Whitie partygoer, she tried the conventional (that is, non-hipster) hip-hop clubs but found the men "really hard-core." In this vastly whiter scene, Casady said that "it's a safe environment to be freaky."

-- mucho (mlopez10...), August 26th, 2005.


just by the way, the bianca casady in question is the girl from Coco Rosie

ken taylrr has gone off the internet because of you (ken taylrr), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

What other issues are involved here, Susan?

I want to approach, but I unfortunately too quickly digress into "Williamsburg is full of hipster idiots" type commentary in the early discourse.

Dan started it upthread w/r/t this being some attempt at humor via white appropriation of black culture, but again, I can't go there quite yet...

xpost

and Dan just brought it back up...

jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

when you dj you need a cooler dj name and a cool name to yr party.

well since my last attempt at a party failed on its first night due to ROYAL OAK being run by DOUCHEBAG FLAKEY JERKS IN SKINNY TIES AND EYELINER i've kinda given up. and there is NOTHING cooler than the name FUCK IT as a party name. just didn't get a chance to succeed since some dudes are fucking double-booking idiots.

You also need to play more 90s hip-hop and have friends who like the dancing.

no, i need to know more people who realize that "church of anthrax" is dance music!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

xp

It's easy to make fun of Williamsburg, only because it's easy to find something to make fun of in Williamsburg, even though every large neighborhood/city has something equally lame to make fun of.. but Williamsburg is still in the spotlight now... hence..

I think Williamsburg is the target of a lot of sniping because the neighborhood -- and by this I mean the hipster influx -- has some very evident conceits... the whole neo-bohemian thing. The New York press takes its potshots at W'burg pretty regularly. Less frequent is the Washington Post getting into it.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

just by the way, the bianca casady in question is the girl from Coco Rosie

A staggering amount of sense has just been made.

mike powell (mike powell), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

go out each Friday around 11 pm and flyer the bulk of Williamsburg

sometimes I think flyering is the biggest waste of fucking time, but i'm afraid NOT to flyer for shows.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Bianca Cassady from CocoRosie attends parties like these?

sibsi (sibsi), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

To sum up this August's Lifestyle Section, Williamsburg is full of asses because all of the cool kids moved to Philly. Thanks NewYorkTimesWashingtonPost!

dan. (dan.), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

what schwantz just said, too

jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

xp- also, Royal Oak seems to regularly endorse really terrible djs, so I wouldn't take it personally, stencil

mike powell (mike powell), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Have any of you guys been to a Diplo or Hollertronix DJ night before, to slightly change the subject?

(and to try and hatch out the more interesting argument to come here..)

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

xp- not on mondays

dan. (dan.), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

assholes and borderline racists.

Also, I hate ironic dancing more than you know, but making fun of hip-hop or even any aspect of black culture does not make someone an immediate racist.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't take it personally per se. but i ain't steppin' foot in that place again.

i do fliering for the aesthetic, because i like to have people compliment me on fliers that took me 5 minutes to make because it's fun!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

sometimes I think flyering is the biggest waste of fucking time, but i'm afraid NOT to flyer for shows

My flyers say FREE BEER really big on them...

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, I have a request, because I suck at math and can't do it myself.

Can we please see a few attempts at equasions that sum up exactly what this guy's deal is supposed to be?

jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

My flyers say FREE BEER really big on them...

But that might be considered false advertising to some

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

saying you can't grind guys in "conventional hip-hop clubs" because they're too "hardcore" is approaching borderline in my book.

dan. (dan.), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

But that might be considered false advertising to some

Well hell.

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

^ The original Pumpsta.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Can we please see a few attempts at equasions that sum up exactly what this guy's deal is supposed to be?

easy. mission: douchebag

I'm all equeasy now.

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

no, i need to know more people who realize that "church of anthrax" is dance music!

you've got like, me, rich zerbo and brian degraw, for what it's worth.

I just don't get the whole "ironic DJ" thing at all, in any context. And even more confounding are the people who come and dance along. If you don't REALLY like the music, then don't play it (or dance to it). If you DO really like it, then have the balls to admit it.

They like the music and they like dancing to it of course. The "humor" and "irony" part adds several things, like distance, like the ability to convince yourself that you're NOT uncomfortably appropriating somebody elses culture(i know, I know, it's all backwards), protection from admitting earnestly liking something you're not supposed to like etc etc.

I've heard nothing but questionable things about royal oak and their attitudes towards music/djs etc.

anyway, never been to a hollertronix party, I just looked at their website and it's the same thing, I mean, the image/graphics are clearly trying to represent something, which is fine, it's all marketing, but is that what hollertronix is all about? Black dudes and girls in thongs?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

but making fun of hip-hop or even any aspect of black culture does not make someone an immediate racist

when you tell white kids they can get in for free if they bring a bucket of chicken, I think that qualifies...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Black dudes and girls in thongs?

Surely you mean flip-flops.

Lit has a strict no flip-flop policy.

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Does chicken still come in buckets?

pappawheelie II, Friday, 26 August 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

they have chicken fries now! and chicken rings at white castle! it's a brave new world of chicken out there!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

when you tell white kids they can get in for free if they bring a bucket of chicken, I think that qualifies..

I forgot about that part. That sucks.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

But it's part of the Vice thing -- be provocative at any cost. No idea is worth more to these people than an aesthetic posture.

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

you've got like, me, rich zerbo and brian degraw, for what it's worth.

i think brian stole my headphones and gave them to josh. : (

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

then get them back from josh. he's a nice dude. say "hey, I can prove those are mine, they have my head-lice on them." Either way, he's bound to give them back.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - the other issue besides these folks being hipsters/embarrassing hipsters/bad hipsters that other hipsters can make fun of....well i guess just the marketing of black culture as something that can be bought and worn in bits and pieces and idea of the armchair black identity going on everywhere....like i'm going to this club and act freaky (i.e. black?) with white men who act freaky (i.e. black) but i'm really actually afraid of black men and practice segregation in my life and wholly identify as white. and other stuff. but it seems dumb to focus on this one guy and minutia of the club goers unless you intend to use it as the supreme example of larger thing..which the journalist kinda does but doesn't really talk much about the many variations and degrees of this going on everywhere, but you can tell he just wants to focus on the personalities and events and anecdotal stuff b/c its all so laughable/provocative on MANY levels. see michael moore?

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

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Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i haven't been to daddy's in a while. i don't really wanna bring it up with josh because i know he's so nice to me, i don't want to make him feel uncomfortable. but you remember that, right dan? i was unemployed at the time, and it was at that BENEFIT. fuckin' a.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i haven't been to daddy's in a while

Come to daddy.

Daddy, Friday, 26 August 2005 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, i go there like once a week.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Da Pumpsta as defender against gentrification:

PRESS RELEASE
_______________________

Williamsburg Warriors and Kill Whitie present:
REZONE THIS!
@ CLUB EXIT
Greenpoint, Brooklyn
April 28th, 2005
Tickets $12.50 advance, $15.00 door. Available Tuesday, April 19th at EAT Records / 124
Messerole Avenue / Greenpoint / Brooklyn / 718-389-8083 / www.eatrecords.com
Doors open at 8:00pm, show starts at 9:00pm

Featuring TV on the Radio, Dragons of Zynth, Turing Machine, Apollo
Heights, Roxy Pain, and Tha Pumpsta with Chief Quievie

REZONE THIS! a show organized by local Williamsburg / Greenpoint community groups features a show / dance party to raise awareness of the city’s plan for OUR waterfront rezoning. REZONE THIS! anticipates a sold-out event at CLUB EXIT in Greenpoint, Brooklyn on the 28th of April. Attracting more than 900 special individuals with local and regional press coverage.

Kill Whitie! Dance party to follow.
Please direct any questions to:
Jeremy Parker
xxx-xxx-xxxx
jeremyparker@milkthebeef.com
__________

http://www.williamsburgwarriors.org/rezonethis.pdf

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

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The thing is, I'm sure all of those links exhibited cock vacuum pumps.

*drum break*

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm so embarrassed for TV On The Radio now...

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember that because you blamed me. As if I'd use your budget-ass headphones. I remember he had a british friend with him who played the Desperate Bicycles on CD and I was like, "dude, I digitized that."

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i fucking didn't blame you dan! you're on crack!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

from the beginning i never thot you or mike would do that! wtf dude!

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

stop blaming me.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

due to ROYAL OAK being run by DOUCHEBAG FLAKEY JERKS IN SKINNY TIES AND EYELINER

plz tell me you guys are all referring an NYC club, and not to the yuppie gentrified hell just north of Detroit...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember that because you blamed me. As if I'd use your budget-ass headphones. I remember he had a british friend with him who played the Desperate Bicycles on CD and I was like, "dude, I digitized that."

what is this, your fucking blog? What music is "now playing"? How's that crush going? Can I be added to your friend list?

Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's talk about hollertronix. Trife sez hollertronix might as well be pumpsta. Agree? Disagree? Discuss.

deej.., Friday, 26 August 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

plz tell me you guys are all referring an NYC club, and not to the yuppie gentrified hell just north of Detroit...

it's a williamsburg bar named after yuppie gentrified hell north of detroit.

confounded, lighten up.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Hollertronix hit upon the perfect combination of 90s/00s hip-hop mixed with 80s rock/pop to make for very popular parties in Philly, NY. And they've built on that success with more critically acclaimed mix-tapes and productions.

hstencil, I think counfounded is making an "inside" joke to me.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 26 August 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link


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