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I thought M Butterfly was interesting and I didn't dislike it at the time, but I saw it about seven years ago. It wasn't supposed to be about what the play was about, but everyone expected that it would be, and that was a problem. I don't think Cronenberg and David Hwang saw eye to eye at all.

― daria g (daria g), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

is it not about what the play is about? I never read or saw the play.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 22:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

My understanding was that the play was highly interested in, hmm.. Orientalism, to use the theory term, and Cronenberg didn't care about that angle. I am certain I read an interview where Cronenberg says he'd talked to Hwang about how he thought certain stuff in the play was weak and such.. this might be in that Cahiers de Cinema book on Cronenberg, I'll see if I can find it.

― daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 00:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

Cronenberg On Cronenberg is a pretty fun read. It's part of a interview book series and probably my favorite that I've seen of them.

― miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 01:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

so cronenberg's crash was on uk tv last night. anyone watch it? i just did. rather a lot of fucking. and music that sounds suspiciously like the work of thurston moore. not sure i really liked it much, although some of the ideas are...interesting.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

fuck channel 4 they cut out the best scene

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

i missed it, no tv guide. i like it, anyway. what scene did they cut?

― N_RQ, Friday, 23 September 2005 08:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

where they have a threesome on the backseat, they cut to ads strangely just as it started but wierdly the channel 4 logo came up with some other logo as if the film had ended (no stella artois link).

i think anyway, i switched over in protest at this botch up.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

the stella artois bit: so apt for 'crash'.

― N_RQ, Friday, 23 September 2005 08:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

1664 bad year for directing

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

why would stella promote cronenberg etc.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

"and music that sounds suspiciously like the work of thurston moore"

what made you say that? it was howard shore, btw.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 23 September 2005 08:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

vintage stuff ken!

― N_RQ, Friday, 23 September 2005 08:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

JG Ballard on Cronenberg in today's Guardian

― chris j (chris j), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

A History of Violence is out today in the US.. HOORAY
I think I'm off to see it this afternoon..

― dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kenneth Turan creamed himself over History of Violence on NPR this morning. In fact, West Coasters can hear it coming up right about now.

The Crash score is by Howard Shore and it's really, really great.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 23 September 2005 13:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

"and music that sounds suspiciously like the work of thurston moore"
what made you say that? it was howard shore, btw.

yeah i know it was howard shore, but i was surprised by the running guitar motifs - i thought he was famous for/usually employed to provide orchestral scores?

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Oh that was the movie he was creaming himself over? I missed the title but could hear the orgasm building in his voice.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

History of Violence premiered 2 weeks ago at the American Museum of the Moving Image w/ a talk by Cronenberg but by the time I called it was sold out. I WIll see it asap, as I keep missing his films in theaters. Never saw Spider and only recently saw Crash. Otherwise, am a huge fan, own a few of his movies, have seen almost all of them, "taught" a class on him at Oberlin, which really just meant watched some movies and me and my friends got credit for it. I like him for many reasons, including the fact that even when his movies aren't that good, and they're not all that great, but I think even the worst ones are interesting. As an "auteur" type its fun to see how he deals with the same themes in different contexts. Also, as a fan of horror movies, it was interesting to see how he came out of that scene and still toys with it, and it's been fun watching him gain more mainstream critical acceptance while making movies that while they may seem more mainstream then say, Shivers or Rabid, are really even more fucked up.

Also, he's fun as an actor, like in Last Night and Nightbreed.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 23 September 2005 16:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

my favorite director. greatly anticipating "A History of Violence".

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

i can't wait for history of v!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

it opens today but no way i can see it for at least a week :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Limited release today — what other cities besides NY and LA would have it?

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's opened here in Chicago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

also I LOVED existenz, and while I realize it's a re-write of the themes of videodrome, it features a sense of humor that videodrome lacked.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

No more love for The Brood? That's a classic. I would like to watch that movie back to back with de Palma's Sisters.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 23 September 2005 17:58 (7 years ago) Permalink

yes. The Brood is actually my favorite Cronenberg movie. Especially the guy, I can't remember his name, the one with the cancer of the lymphatic system who has to keep moving? He's in a bunch of other Cronenberg films, a small but important role in Existenz as well. His scenes in the Brood are amazing.

And I discovered the Brood around the same time I first saw Oliver Reed in Ken Russell's The Devils.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm in montreal

god i love existenz!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 September 2005 18:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

I haven't seen a Cronenberg movie I didn't like, but I love Videodrome and Scanners.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 23 September 2005 19:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to see History of Violence in 3 hours. I have high hopes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 20:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

The Brood lovers finally arrive! As I mentioned upthread, watching the Brood made my girlfriend pregnant.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Psychoplasmics!

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm going to see History of Violence in 2 hours. I have high hopes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

i taped crash last night, when it was on channel 4. i'm going to watch it tomorrow. should i have high hopes?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

No.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

should i go jogging instead?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

why is it so bad, alex?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

you have less than 2 hrs to provide a satisfactory reply...

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's just really boring. It's not a great book either, but at least the book has the benefit of Ballard's internal dialogues which hold at least a marginal amount of interest. The movie has nothing except some supposedly "titilating" sex scenes which come off as way too clinical and forced to actually be sexy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

LOL

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Basically if you've read the book you'll be disappointed cause it's taken only most surface part of the text and doesn't do much with it and if you haven't read the book you'll just come away thinking it's just trying to hard to be sexy and shocking and is failing completely.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think it's actually pretty funny... intentionally funny even.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 September 2005 22:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

if you haven't read the book you'll just come away thinking it's just trying to hard to be sexy and shocking and is failing completely.

Or you'll actually watch the film and enjoy it.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

two words: JAMES SPADER

please destroy

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

I liked the movie. I liked(and have always liked) James Spader. And I ESPECIALLY like one mr. elias koteas. Especially in that movie.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

you're crazy.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

James Spader!!? He's like an assail the unassailable.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

are you kidding? he's terrible. more wooden than keanu.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

but smugger!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 23 September 2005 23:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

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