2008 Primaries Thread

debate was good news for mccain for sure

maybe romney's worst showing during the whole race?

debate was good news for mccain for sure

^^^ This, especially if independents now vote for McCain.

hillary looks at least as hot tonight as she did in iowa

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/hillarys-debate.html

^^^this kind of shit makes me want to go all daria on a motherfucker

I think that will be an outlier opinion, but we'll see.

Stephanopolis just said that Edwards seemed the most energetic and vital, so maybe I'm way off-base.

He went for a jog!

Daniel I accidentally posted in tonight's ILNFL thread that i thought step was RONG in his analysis on both debates

idk if you saw it but he said thompson had a great night when he was basically inconsequential

Didn't see it. I generally like Step, tho.

yeah i don't think he's a bad dude by any means but he was off-base tonight

http://news.theage.com.au/edwards-rebukes-clinton-during-debate/20080106-1kd0.html

clinton says 'obama changes'. edwards says that now that things have changed, and he and obama are making changes, hillary has changed. hillary says: "I want to make change but I've already made change," she said. "I'm not just running on a promise of change - I'm running on 35 years of change."

we can spare some change.

yeah i don't think he's a bad dude by any means but he was off-base tonight

I think Step sometimes overcompensates for his role with the Clinton Admin. by being especially tough on the Clintons.

OK, I'm out, guys. I'm going to the White Room to get knockered.

Nite.

First paragraph OTM; Second paragraph off-base

from my local news:

"One candidate though decided to get some rest. Fred Thompson was taking the day off from campaigning."

Is Yglesias right in his assessment of the GOP debate? Generally, I think he's a pretty sharp commentator.

hillary's 35 year fight against the death penalty & nafta have made me proud to be an american.

Maybe I'm wrong about what will resonate from tonight's debate. Still, I stand by what I said above. But we'll see.

holy shit i just got to see McCain "change" zing on Romney.

zing: A-
McCain's shit eating grin: A++++++++

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/6965/thumbs/r-CLINTON-FUMES-AS-EDWARDS-TAKES-OBAMAS-SIDE-huge.jpg

who was it that said that o/ed were coming off like frat boys?

I want Gibson as moderator in every debate.

You mean Mr. "The-surge-is-working,-just-admit-it-you-cut-and-runners!"

McCain zing: http://youtube.com/watch?v=c6DR1Y3j_4k

Another zinger:

ROMNEY: I've been very firm about my position on the war.
HUCKABEE: Which one?

who was it that said that o/ed were coming off like frat boys?

Me. You disagree? (NP if you do; just curious).

I didn't see the debate, but in the image above they certainly look pretty chummy.

That Edwards/Obama photo isn't from tonight. It looks like they were on The Price is Right set!

dating game, morelike

it's a cheesy huffpo composite

They both jumped on HRC (tho it was the way they behaved that made them seem like frat boys). Still, when Edwards rejected HRC's overtures, and sided with Obama in attacking HRC, I felt like I was watching an old pro-wrestling skit (when a ''good guy'' suddendly kneecaps his friend and reveals himself to be in cahoots with the ''bad guys').

(I'm not saying Obama, Edwards and/or HRC are ''good guys'' or ''bad guys,'' btw; I'm just using shorthand to distinguish my hypothetical wrestling characters).

Given my dislike for HRC, those instances were the highlight of my night (even if I thought she actually gave a good performance). Within debate parameters, though, I thought Edwards kind of ran away with this one. If New Hampshirites were watching, it should probably give him a 3 to 5 point bump.

I thought Edwards was embarrassing tonight, particularly his invective against the "status quo." He had an opportunity to speak about his own ideas about health care, and instead he let loose with a string of transparently banal rhetoric. If HRC is for single-payer care, that's "change" by any measure. I think Edwards position papers are often stronger than those by the other candidates in the debate, but sometimes I wonder how much of their strength he even comprehends. Well, that, or his debate strategy is selling him way short. Because he came across like a lightweight.

(P.S. I couldn't read Obama's facial expression as delivered the droll, "You're likable enough.")

HRC's response to the idiotic question about her "likability" was quite strong, I thought, in reminding voters that Bush was often trumpeted as the "guy you'd want to have a beer with" (etc.). (My problem with her has more to do with my threshold for tolerating political cynicism. She's not the worst imaginable candidate by any stretch of the imagination, but her voting record reveals just enough cynical "positioning" to make her less palatable than Obama, who has indulged in his share as well.)

That Edwards/Obama photo isn't from tonight. It looks like they were on The Price is Right set!

-- Johnny Fever, Saturday, January 5, 2008 7:52 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

it is from tonight

Obama to HRC: "the price is wrong, bitch!"

Ron Paul: "Because of INFLATION"

I have to admit, I was sitting there watching Ron Paul talk about the reason fuel prices are so high having to do with inflation and felt kind of enlightened all of the sudden. However, not enough to go see if what he's talking about has any merit.

lol kerm

test

Ron Paul: "Because of INFLATION"

he was hilarious. like, IVE WAITED MY WHOLE LIFE TO GET ON TV AND TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THE GOLD STANDARD AND BY GOD I'M GONNA DO IT. a good foil to huckabee's william jennings bryan routine.

Man this is confusing! I'm half listening to the radio, and they're saying something about the Georgia caucus, and then they say Saakashvili has won! Turns out, they said Georgia in the Caucasus. :-/

just getting around to watching the debates tonight on youtube, starting with the democratic debate (youtube username: yd2008 , if anyone's interested on where to find)

cheers thx. football took precedent today, only because my 'hawks are still in it.

You mean Mr. "The-surge-is-working,-just-admit-it-you-cut-and-runners!"

-- Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:35 (6 hours ago) Link

yes

i mean christ im not looking for him to be 'right' i'm looking for him to ask tough questions and get the candidates to answer w/ some fucking convincing arguments

test

otm

Time.com -- 01.06.08

This is basically what I was saying above, i.e., HRC may have misanalyzed the electorate and this isn't her moment (I'm not claiming wisdom, tho; I thought HRC would bounce after last night's debate performance, and I now get the feeling she'll be pilloried for it). But the short article goes way beyond that, to suggest that the size of Obama's Iowa win has shaken HRC's campaign to the core.

You mean Mr. "The-surge-is-working,-just-admit-it-you-cut-and-runners!"

-- Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 6 January 2008 05:35 (6 hours ago) Link

Er, the "surge" is working; it's the political part that's shit.