U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

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Seriously, I got married yesterday because in part of this justice. It's filled with the brutal irony that is characteristic of this shitty, exciting year.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link

Well, to be totally fair, Minnesota was already clear before that decision. But print the legend.

Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link

congratulations, Eric!

Dan S, Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link

co-sign. congrats, Eric :)

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link

Congrats Eric! Thank you for sharing this happy news on an otherwise bummer day. May you bring each other joy for decades to come!

Fetchboy, Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link

Congrats!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link

congrats Eric! that really is the best way to celebrate her life and accomplishments. sorry to bring it up in a bad way, but i'm happy all the same

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:53 (three years ago) link

Somehow I saw this thread had a bunch of new answers before I saw the news or noticed the RGB RIP thread, but I had a gut feeling it meant she had passed — maybe partly because I remembered recently seeing the headline that Trump had a shortlist of 20 new appointees to the court. I hope the consequences don't turn out as dire as they seem.

Congrats to Eric, whose horror film poll I remember with great fondness. Hope your chosen one shares that passion.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:00 (three years ago) link

What’s up with the smug Canadians lately? Jesus.

was wondering why I got a notification email

Simon H., Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:06 (three years ago) link

"avenge my FP"

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link

also one more round of congrats to Eric <3

Simon H., Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link

Another congratulations! to Eric plus sad condolences from this non-smug Canadian

Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:01 (three years ago) link

Congrats to Eric

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 07:33 (three years ago) link

I don't think 'not retiring under Obama' was a vain decision, it was just a decision

I imagine she expected her replacement would be picked by Hillary Clinton, right up until Nov 9th.

assert (MatthewK), Saturday, 19 September 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link

one fun thing if ginsberg dies will be watching all the bluecheck resistance types going "merrick garland much my good sir" as mcconnell serenely jams through justin walker to take her seat six weeks before the election

— The 20th Dryjacker (@allahliker) May 6, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 10:09 (three years ago) link

in addition to fighting over a new justice, how about impeaching and jailing the two rapists currently on the supreme court?

好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 19 September 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link

I know, I know...

好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 19 September 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link

Trump is going to nominate Barrett in a few days because he (correctly) intuits that the judge list won over the skeptical Republicans he actually needed to win. Democrats will be incredibly motivated to vote and will turn him out decisively, she gets confirmed in December. https://t.co/1mURiWidx8

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) September 19, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 September 2020 12:34 (three years ago) link

Well, one of those two rapists on the SC is there today because of the other idiot running for President

beamish13, Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link

do you oversimplify this much in other parts of your life, too?

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

Halfway through this round-up of her record:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/03/the-rise-of-the-ruth-bader-ginsburg-cult

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

Coney Barrett=Another Pynchon-esque Character Name In Government

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link

RBG was no Wm. O. Douglas. Then again, Justice Douglas constantly was on the losing side of 8-1 votes and spent his tenure writing dissenting opinions that have been mostly ignored in later jurisprudence.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link

I don't know about his entire tenure, though. He's responsible for Griswold, Brady, and Terminiello, among others, which have had seismic influence.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link

"In January, the Court issued its opinion in the case of Kansas v. Carr. The Kansas Supreme Court had overturned a pair of death sentences, on the grounds that the defendants’ Eighth Amendment rights had been violated in the instructions given to the jury. The U.S. Supremes swooped in, informing Kansas that it had made a mistake; nobody’s Eighth Amendment rights had been violated, thus the defendants ought to have continued unimpeded along the path toward execution. The Court’s decision was 8-1, the lone dissenter being Sonia Sotomayor. Ginsburg put her name on Justice Scalia’s majority opinion instead."

Love too be on the winning side..

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link

Like y'know Ginsburg above all people didn't believe in just ruling based on her gut feeling on the core issue (capital punishment).

Despite being pro-choice herself, she long felt that Roe v Wade's decision was based on shoddy legal reasoning

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link

Also did you even read Sotomayor's dissent? Her dissent was that SCOTUS shouldn't have even heard the case because she felt nobody's eight amendment rights were violated

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link

the case did not involve the Constitutionality of the death penalty

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

why are you falling for alphabet bait

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link

Cos he's so dreamy

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link

it's better not to encourage the spread of selective misrepresentations of fact. too much of that going around these days.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link

Notorious RBG and Scalia, dining in heaven

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link

She's Jewish, and he's Scalia. No heaven.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

Just misrepresenting the facts.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-ginsburg-idUSKBN0G12V020140801

It was a vain decision not to step down. And the consequences are grave.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 19 September 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link

From Scotus Blog re Coney Barrett

The New York Times reported that Barrett was a member of a group called People of Praise.” Group members, the Times indicated, “swear a lifelong oath of loyalty to one another, and are assigned and accountable to a personal adviser.” Moreover, the Times added, the group “teaches that husbands are the heads of their wives and should take authority for their family.” And legal experts questioned whether such oaths “could raise legitimate questions about a judicial nominee’s independence and impartiality.”

curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link

If we’re gonna point out Ginsburg’s flawed decisions on the Court, we should also consider her record before she got to the Supreme Court. Linda Greenhouse in New York Times notes that : Ruth Ginsburg was occasionally described as the Thurgood Marshall of the women’s rights movement by those who remembered her days as a litigator and director of the Women’s Rights Project of the American Civil Liberties Union during the 1970s.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link

that's fair but she was working in just one subject area!

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link

iirc she did write the opinion in dennys rodriguez v. united states which was a case i cited a lot of times when i was criminal lawyering, but it wasn't an earth-shattering opinion, kind of a no-brainer. i just like how he spelled dennys.

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link

maybe "one subject area" is not a good description of what she was doing--it was fairly broad, but it excluded maybe all of the areas of the law where people are most critical of her as a justice

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link

All these idiots suggesting at attempt at a quorum bust seem to not get that a quorum is 51, the GOP has 53, and there's no rule requiring both parties be there. And even if there were, we'd just get Bob Packwood 2020.

That would be the easiest way to confirm the nomination

origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link

There's no question she was a great champion of women's rights and a brilliant person. In a way my criticism of her is really a criticism of the error of veneration of individual "legal minds" at the expense of political strategy. Four liberal geniuses on the supreme court is worth exactly zero versus five mediocre conservative stalwarts.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:17 (three years ago) link

i.e. the problem is really the narrativistic, individualist focus on heroes rather than on politics as it actually works, and the whole "Notorious RBG" cult is a symptom of that problem, as was her own vanity to effectively think it was important for her to stay on the court because there was no one "better" to replace her (a younger justice would have been "better").

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link

otm but it also means that non-Americans jump to facile reductions of her extensive record, which helps nothing

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link

ppl call her "Notorious RBG" but her verses were fuckin weak

Simon H., Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:41 (three years ago) link

"otm but it also means that non-Americans"

It's the Americans that are coming up with criticisms of RBG on my timeline.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 September 2020 09:50 (three years ago) link

You have FB friends?

origami condom (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 September 2020 13:05 (three years ago) link

Nice one.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 September 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

lol we are so fucked pic.twitter.com/4R5M4kYf8W

— 红色娘子军🌹 (@detachment_red) September 20, 2020

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 September 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link

Politics is a dance of power, and the sum of power includes the perception of power. In practical terms the Republicans occupy both of the pinnacles of power when it comes to filling SCOTUS vacancies: president and a Senate majority. In that regard, yes, we are fucked.

But both those pinnacles rest on the broad basis of popular support. Make that earth they rest upon shake and they will feel it. Shaking that political ground beneath their feet is not an easy task right now and the tectonic plates of left and right have been locked together in apparent stasis for a couple of decades now. But that is where any hope of averting a 6-3 conservative or a 5-4 far right majority lies, and that court will do far more damage than just wiping out Roe v Wade.

I guess we'll know how it all shakes out in the next couple months.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 20 September 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link


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