enjoying misogyny

Songs about staring at tits are not misogynistic. They are just gloriously dumb.

in other words, while there are modes of repression that are reserved for women, it has generally been expedient for the white man to exploit nonwhite women as though they were men.

prof. davis offers this only by way of introducing the subject. i think she felt racist attitudes had been deconstructed (in the academy) to the point where thinkers could begin to take on patriarchy (hopefully we are reaching that point as music listeners).

The anger & misogyny comes from fear, right? Men are being hurt by women and they're afraid of them. That's what these songs are about. The stakes are higher when love & lust are involved, which is why these pains are so deep & the resulting anger so intense. Comparing this stuff w/ racist lyrics doesn't quite work, I don't think, b/c the hurt that comes w/ love is universal.

That's pretty fundamental, I think.

was Lucille Bogan a hermaphrodite?

how about:

wait - for his bitch to leave
miss trina got a trick up her sleeve
open up the door i walk straight in the house
put your man down and put my cock in his mouth

from trina's "hustling"

I would posit that most of the lyrics being discussed here have nothing to do with "the hurt that comes with love".

sp - you could say that, or you could say our culture equips men with verbal weapons women don't have. just this week i heard dr. phil tell someone on oprah never to call men irresponsible, cause it feels the same as when a man calls a woman a bitch. what a load of bullshit!

No, I'll buy that one. Seeing as how it's men prescribed role to be breadwinners and such, and it's women's prescribed role to be nurturers and such, I can see an irresponsible-->bitch corollary. Your argument is that men feel no pain, because we control everything, and thus should shut the fuck up. And if we're talking corporate power, that's true. But not on a personal level. Not if you want to have a healthy heterosexual relationship.

On a more serious note, if your point is that sexism is as bad as racism, it would probably be best if you didn't create a situation where it looks like you are equating bringing up the fact that misogyny exists with using the word "nigger" as that tends to cloud your point and cause people to not take you seriously.

"The hurt that comes with lust", more likely.

I'd equate these things, if only in the way that they'd be equally dumb things to do, unless you've got a good point coming soon after.

Don't know anything about Scandanavian languages, but I have read an account of how in Louisiana "coquille" (scallop) was used to refer to the female parts, and that this was later shortened to "cock."

Also, can someone give examples of AC/DC lyrics that display a hatred towrds women rather than just an objectification of them?
From memory they're mostly just schoolboy tales of bawdy girls that do to females what (I imagine) mills and boon novels do to males, that is, pretend they're something they're not.

To put it another way many men must be turned on by women who look female but act like men.

How gay is that?

Frank, I don't know if you'll see this, but "misogyny" means hatred of women in general and "Pushin' Too Hard" is a guy annoyed at one particular woman for bugging him.

"...And when I told him I had been untrue
He hit me and it felt like a kiss
He hit me and I knew he loved me
Cause if he didn't care for me
I could have never made him mad
He hit me and I was glad"

the way "misogyny" gets promiscously tossed around by pop music critics has everything to do w/this.