No it was 1992! That is wrong.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I now won't start a fantasy series until all the books have been published. So I'm denying myself the GRR Martin and the Stephen Erikson books that are meant to be really good.
I delude myself into thinking that Jordan means it when he says that it'll all be finished in the next couple of books and that one day I can go back to it and read the whole thing from beginning to end.
― Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I've been tempted, over the years, to write to Jordan informing him of these strange things called "editors". It's been 15 years and he still hasn't got anywhere near the bloody point, I know kids who are reading them who weren't born when the first one was published. And I'm also sick of his characters being trapped in permanent adolescence or (in the case of his female characters) permanent PMS.
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
omg wtf
Like finishing this lot isn't enough, he has to start on a prequel TRILOGY!!!!
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link
First comment here so funny!
― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 September 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link
But am I the only one who cares?
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 30 September 2005 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Excuse me I must tug my braid and sniff now.
― Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Friday, 14 October 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
There is quite a bit of chip-cashing going on in this book, FINALLY. Quite a few little endings that feel like endings - i.e. "oh, this character probably isn't going to be seen again." I actually finished the book without being annoyed for once! And a lot of the foreshadowed plot developments that appeared to have gotten bogged down or fallen by the wayside either happen or are set up to happen early on in the next book.
Plus Egwene and especially Mat totally rock in this book. I think Mat gets more pages than anyone else.
Although on an odd note the lesbianism quotient has skyrocketed. As you'd expect it's rather prevalent among the Red Ajah!
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Saturday, 15 October 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link
"And I woke up, and it was all a dream."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Sunday, 16 October 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Ha ha! And it gets better too! Come back when you finish it Dan so we can chat.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link
>Actually there's not so much Egwene, but she makes her two >appearances count. Nyneave only gets one chapter but does likewise.
so true, Nynaeve's final appearance with Lan and its followup was amazing, and Egwene's Tower sequences rocked and tons of Mat which made me happy
Tim, also I see what you menat about the crossing off of characters, a coupleof cases where i thought it was handled a little too fast but he really wrapped up a LOT of the dangling threads. I really could see 12 finishing this and always had figgered it would be at least 14 volumes.
finish the book Dan so we can all chat without spoiling it for you
― H (Heruy), Friday, 4 November 2005 08:01 (eighteen years ago) link
H, the one that struck me as being kind of glaringly, annoyingly fast was what happened with A***, if only because the denouement had been foreshadowed for about six or seven books and then ended up being almost a trifling aside. I got the impression that Jordan just decided to cut whatever chilling plot development he'd had planned for ages.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Saturday, 5 November 2005 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link
The set-up for the impending Mat + Thom + ???? mission actually shook me up! Robert Jordan in surprising "fans" shocker.`
Tim Finney, do you mean Aviendha?
Characters I would enjoy an entire book dedicated to, leaving out all the random baddies and randomer "impressively bosom"ed Aes Sedai: Mat, Loial, Lan, Nynaeve, and more Mat again. And then, at the very end, Rand could go all Lews Therin and kill everyone except his hippie girlfriend with the visions.
― nklshs, Sunday, 6 November 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link
So awesome.
― Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 6 November 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Galina's denouement was surprisingly quick (insofar as I expected she would do more damage to Faile and co.) but much better handled - her trundling off to the Aiel Waste with Therava, answering to "Little Lina", was perfect. I suspect the next book will be filled with little endings like this.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 6 November 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Sad And Pathetic) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 November 2005 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 7 November 2005 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link
and The Golden Crane flies again - i actually really liked nynaeve's trick on Lan coz you can see in the future Lan's ride being stuff of legend but also answers the question of why would someone choose to do that kind of long distabce ride - answer - sneaky wife
Egwene was excellent here, The Mother
incidentally, Time also read New Spring and high lesbian quotient in that too, pillow friends abound in the Accepted, Siuan and Moiraine being the slight shocker
― H (Heruy), Monday, 7 November 2005 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Given the number of women there would appear to be in the White Tower and that for some of their training period girls are in the hormone-rush years, I would argue that sheer frustration (combined with a need for some measure of affection and emotional support) would lead many along that path.
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Monday, 7 November 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (MUST BUY PRELUDE BOOK NOW) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 November 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
Presumably Egwene and Elayne didn't have enough time to investigate this aspect of their White Tower novicehood. But then Elayne/Aviendha kinda veers dangerously close. And what about the repressed erotic content vis a vis Egwene/Arangar?
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 7 November 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.html
― mason_storm, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link