I just finished book #10 of Robert Jordan's stupid series.

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"Yeah, i think I started in 1994!"

No it was 1992! That is wrong.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Jordan has scarred me permanently. I spent years waiting for each new volume to be released until finally I gave up halfway through book nine. It was so hard to plough through the tedium when there's no end in sight.

I now won't start a fantasy series until all the books have been published. So I'm denying myself the GRR Martin and the Stephen Erikson books that are meant to be really good.

I delude myself into thinking that Jordan means it when he says that it'll all be finished in the next couple of books and that one day I can go back to it and read the whole thing from beginning to end.

Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

The Martin and Erikson are good. And Erikson at least can be relied upon to regularly produce the goods (saying that his publisher put the date of book 6 back nine months for no apparent reason...bastards). Martin's characters while well written unfortunately have the habit of dying whenever they even slightly fuck something up...sooner of later he's gonna run out of them.

I've been tempted, over the years, to write to Jordan informing him of these strange things called "editors". It's been 15 years and he still hasn't got anywhere near the bloody point, I know kids who are reading them who weren't born when the first one was published. And I'm also sick of his characters being trapped in permanent adolescence or (in the case of his female characters) permanent PMS.

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I am the only person on Earth who really likes the exploding subplots in the Jordan books. I really like the sense that these events are so massive that the ripple effect is causing a complicated political and social upheaval that is impacting the foundations of every single society on the planet and Jordan's taking the time to show us every single major story and plot thread in this series; it's like watching an actual alternate history unfold.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not much fun to try and read robert jordan when yr on acid. HEAD HURTS

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I noticed the following link from that amazon page that ian j linked to:

omg wtf


Like finishing this lot isn't enough, he has to start on a prequel TRILOGY!!!!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Every time he does anything, it makes it all the more clear that Robert Jordan doesn't intend to ever finish writing the Wheel of Time series.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not touching the prequels until he finishes the main story.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm ashamed to say that I actually own a copy of the prequel book, but then again I did get it for £2 out of a bargain book shop. Not that I've read it. Well OK, I read the short story it's based on, but that was back when I cared.

Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Word on the street is that lots of plots actually get resolved in the new book! And it's the second-last in the series!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 September 2005 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Pilfered interweb Prologue + First Chapter confirm that this is going to be so much better than any of the books since Lord of Chaos.

But am I the only one who cares?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

no that's great news! i cant wait to read it.

ryan (ryan), Friday, 30 September 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Ryan the prologue and the first chapter are floating around on filesharing programs (I got em off Limewire). Without wanting to spoil things, this is the first time since I can remember where just the prologue has been filled with k-blammo plot developments which totally throw entire story arcs into different directions.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 30 September 2005 06:02 (eighteen years ago) link

YAY

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I have read all the Robert Jordan books, if you wait long enough they turn up in stores for $5,but I am relieved to hear he might be winding the series up, I was getting scared that they would nail his coffin shut before he finished and he would be forced to take possession of an autowriter/agent. With a youthful body who knows how long he would drag the series out for.

Excuse me I must tug my braid and sniff now.

Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Friday, 30 September 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
THE AWESOMENESS!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I am unnaturally excited about this next book.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

goddamn it.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Just grabbed this at Costco, but haven't started it. Hope it is as good as I have been hearing.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Friday, 14 October 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

"It's, like, Jordan sets these little foreshadowing plot barbs in and then cashes in the chips later on (omg I crossed the streams there). "

There is quite a bit of chip-cashing going on in this book, FINALLY. Quite a few little endings that feel like endings - i.e. "oh, this character probably isn't going to be seen again." I actually finished the book without being annoyed for once! And a lot of the foreshadowed plot developments that appeared to have gotten bogged down or fallen by the wayside either happen or are set up to happen early on in the next book.

Plus Egwene and especially Mat totally rock in this book. I think Mat gets more pages than anyone else.

Although on an odd note the lesbianism quotient has skyrocketed. As you'd expect it's rather prevalent among the Red Ajah!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

So number 12 might actually end the damn thing?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently it will be the last book. Although I've also heard that Jordan said somewhere you might need help carrying it out of the store... which doesn't surprise me: for all that #11 accelerates the pace markedly, there's still heaps and heaps to tie up, and any sudden shortcut to the apocalypse would render all the machiavellian plotting to date somewhat pointless.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

THIS BOOK IS SO BORING. Why is the prologue 100 pages long? And how does one write books with the same characters for like 15 years and never get any of them past a catchphrase and signature gesture, depth-wise? ARGH
... so of course I'll finish and enjoy this one and wait patiently for the next.

adam (adam), Saturday, 15 October 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Final sentence of book 12:

"And I woke up, and it was all a dream."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 October 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Start was a little slow, but overall I really enjoyed it. Lots of things tied up or advanced to the point where you see them finishing soon. Mat getting as many pages as he did was excellent. Definitely the best one since Lord of Chaos, though I'm unsure where I'd rank it overall.

Mingus Dew (Mingus Dew), Sunday, 16 October 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, now i'm excited, should be getting my copy tomorrow and happy to hear that there is lots of Egwene & Mat

H (Heruy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually there's not so much Egwene, but she makes her two appearances count. Nyneave only gets one chapter but does likewise.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 16 October 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I'm approaching halfway through this... AND IT IS AWESOME.

Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't believe you.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Your loss.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

keep in mind the last one i read was number eight. and it took me forever. and i only did it to procrastinate from doing school work.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i kind of fear that Martin's thing will suffer the same fate as RJ's.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 3 November 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Martin is unafraid of extremely bold strokes. I've been mad at some of his plot decisions (i.e. killing characters I like), but I've never been unsatisfied with the level of action in his books. Stuff HAPPENS, and it goes somewhere.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 3 November 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'm approaching halfway through this... AND IT IS AWESOME. "

Ha ha! And it gets better too! Come back when you finish it Dan so we can chat.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 3 November 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

this was great!!

>Actually there's not so much Egwene, but she makes her two >appearances count. Nyneave only gets one chapter but does likewise.

so true, Nynaeve's final appearance with Lan and its followup was amazing, and Egwene's Tower sequences rocked and tons of Mat which made me happy

Tim, also I see what you menat about the crossing off of characters, a coupleof cases where i thought it was handled a little too fast but he really wrapped up a LOT of the dangling threads. I really could see 12 finishing this and always had figgered it would be at least 14 volumes.

finish the book Dan so we can all chat without spoiling it for you

H (Heruy), Friday, 4 November 2005 08:01 (eighteen years ago) link

DAN DON'T LOOK CLOSELY AT THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE UNTIL YOU FINISH THE BOOK, LEST YE WORK IT OUT:

H, the one that struck me as being kind of glaringly, annoyingly fast was what happened with A***, if only because the denouement had been foreshadowed for about six or seven books and then ended up being almost a trifling aside. I got the impression that Jordan just decided to cut whatever chilling plot development he'd had planned for ages.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 4 November 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Tim, that is EXACTLY the one i had the most problems with for the reasons you cited

H (Heruy), Saturday, 5 November 2005 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link

HAHA OMG DUDE'S DOWN TO A NUB! BLOOD AND BLOORDY ASHES!

The set-up for the impending Mat + Thom + ???? mission actually shook me up! Robert Jordan in surprising "fans" shocker.`

Tim Finney, do you mean Aviendha?

Characters I would enjoy an entire book dedicated to, leaving out all the random baddies and randomer "impressively bosom"ed Aes Sedai: Mat, Loial, Lan, Nynaeve, and more Mat again. And then, at the very end, Rand could go all Lews Therin and kill everyone except his hippie girlfriend with the visions.

nklshs, Sunday, 6 November 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

FINISHED!!!!!

So awesome.

Dan (Excruciating Back Pain) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 6 November 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Now that Dan's finished, no, I was thinking of Aram.

Galina's denouement was surprisingly quick (insofar as I expected she would do more damage to Faile and co.) but much better handled - her trundling off to the Aiel Waste with Therava, answering to "Little Lina", was perfect. I suspect the next book will be filled with little endings like this.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 6 November 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually cheered when Galina's fate was revealed!

Dan (Sad And Pathetic) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 November 2005 04:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Egwene's section was so well handled too. The scene where the novices put honey in her tea and stand up for her!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 7 November 2005 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

so Galina is gone, the Shaido are neatly bundled off as well, Suroth also out of thw way, the new links between Perrin & the Seanchan and Mat as Raven Prince, haha excellent all, and its good to see Mat back with the Band, Tuon's chapter with her thoughts on Mat was good, want to se more of her and now hat she is leading the Seanchan the truce between the two sides looks more likey esp. with Semirhage captured

and The Golden Crane flies again - i actually really liked nynaeve's trick on Lan coz you can see in the future Lan's ride being stuff of legend but also answers the question of why would someone choose to do that kind of long distabce ride - answer - sneaky wife

Egwene was excellent here, The Mother

incidentally, Time also read New Spring and high lesbian quotient in that too, pillow friends abound in the Accepted, Siuan and Moiraine being the slight shocker

H (Heruy), Monday, 7 November 2005 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The lesbian thing, to go along with the girl-on-girl spanking action, has been a not-particularly-well-hidden subtext in the whole series. The fact that Jordan's now made it as explicit as he ever gets may annoy some of his middle-american fan club.

Given the number of women there would appear to be in the White Tower and that for some of their training period girls are in the hormone-rush years, I would argue that sheer frustration (combined with a need for some measure of affection and emotional support) would lead many along that path.

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Monday, 7 November 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Siuan/Moiraine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan (MUST BUY PRELUDE BOOK NOW) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 November 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

It was sort of necessary really to balance out the fact that we then subsequently learn that Galina and Elaida also like a bit of action. If you hadn't read New Spring you'd be forgiven for thinking that Jordan considered lesbianism a character flaw, or at least conflated it with man-hating (red ajah etc.)

Presumably Egwene and Elayne didn't have enough time to investigate this aspect of their White Tower novicehood. But then Elayne/Aviendha kinda veers dangerously close. And what about the repressed erotic content vis a vis Egwene/Arangar?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 7 November 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
not sure if this has been picked up on already but it seems Robert Jordan is seriously ill...

http://www.locusmag.com/2006/Features/03JordanLetter.html

mason_storm, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

It would kind of be apt if it WoT was left unfinished.

chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

if he lived to 200 it would never be finished

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 14:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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