forget rifftrax, the movie itself is just...wow
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Monday, 29 June 2009 23:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's basically made by a guy who learned the english language and customs from watching nothing but soap operas.
― Cosmo Vitelli, Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:58 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Monday, 29 June 2009 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is the last movie that needs a fuckin' rifftrax
― call all destroyer, Monday, 29 June 2009 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's redundant
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Monday, 29 June 2009 23:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 00:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol i don't even need to watch to remember that little gem
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
i have seen this movie like 45 times
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 00:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
there are only TWO THINGS in life that make me truly happy
1- the smell of a casino2- the opening credits of 'the room'
that is it.
<3
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
also: i have the hots for chris-r
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 00:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHERE'S MY FUCKING MONEY DENNY
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 01:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
i hate denny so much
he is a grade A creeper
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 01:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
he has no boundaries
― Death of a Pitchman (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 01:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
got a kick out of this - from imdb:
The Best Movie....EVER!!!, 29 February 2004Author: houndog5 from los angelesOK, that may be a stretch, but I have inside knowledge into the facts. You see, I was fortunate enough to have worked on the film. As I read the reviews here, especially the last one, which I am sure was written by our amazing Director/Actor/Producer/Writer, I felt I had to respond. Having the dubious honor of saying I worked on this film, has also brought with it the responsibility of telling the truth about what happened on set. Apparently Tommy had a lot of money sitting around and decided he needed to make a film. Not being able to decide what to shoot, film or video, we shot both. Side by side. Both cameras on the same head, being operated by one camera operator. We shot almost the whole thing in the parking lot and back storage shed (read- sound stage) of a camera rental house in Hollywood. I got the call to work on the show after they had already tried to start with another crew that ended up all being dismissed. I believe that we ended up being crew 2 of 4. The show never had much organization to it from the start. We were told it would be a 3 week shoot. At the end of 3 weeks we were exactly 1/2 way done. Crew calls were usually 8 a.m. tommy would show up around 10:30 or 11. Because he would take the HD video camera home with him every night, we had no choice but to wait for him. Since we were only in one room or outside the door in the parking lot, we did not have anything to do but sit around and wait every day. When Tommy arrived we would have to see if he was in actor mode or director mode. If he was in actor mode, you were not allowed to talk to him so he could "stay in character." Since he was in almost every scene, he was always in his "actor" mode. This also meant that he could not direct. Noting the huge delays every day and the fact that we were never seeming to get anything done, our wonderful script supervisor stepped up and became the director...at least he tried. One day he had to go off and do another show and asked if anyone else wanted to step up and direct and keep some script notes. When nobody volunteered, I stepped up. I loved it. It was my directorial genius that had tommy bump into Lisa as they were taking the bad guy off the roof! I will also take credit for the now famous line "You are tearing me apart, Lisa!" In the first 10 takes, tommy kept saying "You are TAKING me apart!" As the crew tried to keep it together, I felt I should right the situation and corrected the line. The crew was also instrumental in keeping the chicken line in. "CHEEEEEPPPPPPP, CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP!" We begged our scripty/director to keep him doing it take after take. Though the crew ultimately followed the original DP out the door and quit, we are all proud to have taken part in the making of this film. Amongst the film crew realms, we are minor celebrities. "Dude, you worked on that thing?" is a phrase that is often heard when The Room is mentioned.I have the pleasure of driving through Hollywood every day and still seei ng the billboard for the film up and Tommy glaring at me as if to say, "I telled you I could make movie." For those looking for a photo op, it's on Highland, a few blocks south of Sunset. I know that tommy took out an ad in the trade papers asking "For Your Consideration", I only wished that I could see him on stage accepting an Academy Award. It would be well earned. Rumor has it that he has a vampire film in the works... let's hope so... I only hope I get the opportunity to work on it. I can only hope that The Room becomes a cult classic with midnight showings. I'll put my tux on and bring a football. Perhaps I'll stand up for a Q&A afterward and tell the stories I have so fondly tried to burn from my memory. My other dream is for the DVD. There are 100's of hours of behind the scenes footage out there. The camera for the behind the scenes material was always recording. ALWAYS! It will be awesome to see what took place on our set. I hope he puts it out there. I know I would buy several copies for all my friends and family.
OK, that may be a stretch, but I have inside knowledge into the facts. You see, I was fortunate enough to have worked on the film. As I read the reviews here, especially the last one, which I am sure was written by our amazing Director/Actor/Producer/Writer, I felt I had to respond. Having the dubious honor of saying I worked on this film, has also brought with it the responsibility of telling the truth about what happened on set. Apparently Tommy had a lot of money sitting around and decided he needed to make a film. Not being able to decide what to shoot, film or video, we shot both. Side by side. Both cameras on the same head, being operated by one camera operator. We shot almost the whole thing in the parking lot and back storage shed (read- sound stage) of a camera rental house in Hollywood. I got the call to work on the show after they had already tried to start with another crew that ended up all being dismissed. I believe that we ended up being crew 2 of 4. The show never had much organization to it from the start. We were told it would be a 3 week shoot. At the end of 3 weeks we were exactly 1/2 way done. Crew calls were usually 8 a.m. tommy would show up around 10:30 or 11. Because he would take the HD video camera home with him every night, we had no choice but to wait for him. Since we were only in one room or outside the door in the parking lot, we did not have anything to do but sit around and wait every day. When Tommy arrived we would have to see if he was in actor mode or director mode. If he was in actor mode, you were not allowed to talk to him so he could "stay in character." Since he was in almost every scene, he was always in his "actor" mode. This also meant that he could not direct. Noting the huge delays every day and the fact that we were never seeming to get anything done, our wonderful script supervisor stepped up and became the director...at least he tried. One day he had to go off and do another show and asked if anyone else wanted to step up and direct and keep some script notes. When nobody volunteered, I stepped up. I loved it. It was my directorial genius that had tommy bump into Lisa as they were taking the bad guy off the roof! I will also take credit for the now famous line "You are tearing me apart, Lisa!" In the first 10 takes, tommy kept saying "You are TAKING me apart!" As the crew tried to keep it together, I felt I should right the situation and corrected the line. The crew was also instrumental in keeping the chicken line in. "CHEEEEEPPPPPPP, CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP, CHEEP!" We begged our scripty/director to keep him doing it take after take. Though the crew ultimately followed the original DP out the door and quit, we are all proud to have taken part in the making of this film. Amongst the film crew realms, we are minor celebrities. "Dude, you worked on that thing?" is a phrase that is often heard when The Room is mentioned.
I have the pleasure of driving through Hollywood every day and still seei ng the billboard for the film up and Tommy glaring at me as if to say, "I telled you I could make movie." For those looking for a photo op, it's on Highland, a few blocks south of Sunset. I know that tommy took out an ad in the trade papers asking "For Your Consideration", I only wished that I could see him on stage accepting an Academy Award. It would be well earned. Rumor has it that he has a vampire film in the works... let's hope so... I only hope I get the opportunity to work on it. I can only hope that The Room becomes a cult classic with midnight showings. I'll put my tux on and bring a football. Perhaps I'll stand up for a Q&A afterward and tell the stories I have so fondly tried to burn from my memory. My other dream is for the DVD. There are 100's of hours of behind the scenes footage out there. The camera for the behind the scenes material was always recording. ALWAYS! It will be awesome to see what took place on our set. I hope he puts it out there. I know I would buy several copies for all my friends and family.
― mr. me too (rockapads), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 01:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
ordered it after i watched this for about the 7th time. don't think i could enjoy a midnight screening with the yelling people, but god i love this movie.
― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 05:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
I didn't think I'd like the midnight screening, but it was so great. The other people in the audience pointed out things I'd never noticed, and you really have to see the movie on the big screen to understand how shabby a production it is.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 05:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
watching this was pretty fun and hilarious but i really can't imagine wanting to do it ever again tbh
― Michael tapeworm much talent for the future (s1ocki), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 05:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh hiii slocki
― Available on DVD as part of the Sasquatch Horror Collection (latebloomer), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 05:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
hi
― Michael tapeworm much talent for the future (s1ocki), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 13:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
I have been unable to greet anyone with anything other than "oh hiii x" ever since I saw this movie 3 days ago.
― Detroit Metal City (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 14:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Rumor has it that he has a vampire film in the works
Tommy Wiseau's Twilight would surely be the greatest movie ever.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can definitely see him as some sort of weird Phantom of the Opera-esque vampire because he already looks that way anyway.
― Detroit Metal City (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm getting images of blood-filled footballs. This is not healthy.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Don't worry about it!
― Detroit Metal City (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 June 2009 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
But it's TEARING me etc.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 14:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Saw this tonight at a sorta midnight screening at Cinema 21. The theater staff had a large of soundtrack cds that they gave away free.
The film itself was sublime. Here's Tommy talking to the local alt-weekly in a nice long interview: http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/interview-with-tommy-wiseau/Content?oid=1573119
...Can you tell me more about the vampire movie you're working on?Well this we may shoot at Austin, Texas, but I am... well, it'll be something unique, let's put it this way. So that's basically it. I think that a vampire, generally speaking, is an equal survivor of human behavior, somewhat to certain degrees, which is prolonging the life, if I may say that. So but. Whatever people believe in vampire or I believe in vampire, that's irrelevant, because I think the topic is, it's much more deep which actually relates to human behavior if you really think about it. Of course, all that stuff, it's sort of assumption and a lot of fantasy go into it. But the probability is very high if you really think about it, how you can prolong your life—have different blood type, or what is the....I think this technology, you look at around you, we go so up, that I believe 10 years from today we probably don't need a doctor. You will have your own doctor, computers will say, "Okay, your sugar level is too low, you have to eat this or that, etc., etc." You know what I mean. Actually, I want to make a movie about this one, too, something like that. But the vampire is a very exciting project that I'm working on currently, yes.Is that something you're writing?I already have two scripts for vampires—100 page scripts. We do one at a time.Are there two separate movies?Yes. Two separate movies.Are they connected, plot-wise? Is one a sequel of the other one?Actually, one is connected somewhat. And one, I give you one clue, that it's connected to all the vampires which you see in the entire world. So it's very deep in the depth. Okay? And, um, [laughs] yeah I have crazy ideas right now, but I don't... Okay, I will tell you anyway. It's too bad that some other people are very snobbish, people who produce vampires movie. Because my vampires are very much connected to all the vampires, let's put it this way. So, I'm not giving more to you [laughs].
Well this we may shoot at Austin, Texas, but I am... well, it'll be something unique, let's put it this way. So that's basically it. I think that a vampire, generally speaking, is an equal survivor of human behavior, somewhat to certain degrees, which is prolonging the life, if I may say that. So but. Whatever people believe in vampire or I believe in vampire, that's irrelevant, because I think the topic is, it's much more deep which actually relates to human behavior if you really think about it. Of course, all that stuff, it's sort of assumption and a lot of fantasy go into it. But the probability is very high if you really think about it, how you can prolong your life—have different blood type, or what is the....
I think this technology, you look at around you, we go so up, that I believe 10 years from today we probably don't need a doctor. You will have your own doctor, computers will say, "Okay, your sugar level is too low, you have to eat this or that, etc., etc." You know what I mean. Actually, I want to make a movie about this one, too, something like that. But the vampire is a very exciting project that I'm working on currently, yes.
Is that something you're writing?
I already have two scripts for vampires—100 page scripts. We do one at a time.
Are there two separate movies?
Yes. Two separate movies.
Are they connected, plot-wise? Is one a sequel of the other one?
Actually, one is connected somewhat. And one, I give you one clue, that it's connected to all the vampires which you see in the entire world. So it's very deep in the depth. Okay? And, um, [laughs] yeah I have crazy ideas right now, but I don't... Okay, I will tell you anyway. It's too bad that some other people are very snobbish, people who produce vampires movie. Because my vampires are very much connected to all the vampires, let's put it this way. So, I'm not giving more to you [laughs].
― kingfish, Sunday, 16 August 2009 09:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
we took an informal poll and decided that his accent and source of funding were both armenian mafia.
― kingfish, Sunday, 16 August 2009 09:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ok, so the soundtrack cd i was given wasn't actually a cd at all, but a promo dvd with trailers & such. This will be most effective in spreading the infection.
― kingfish, Sunday, 16 August 2009 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
(ie, the LA Times goes 'oh hey there's this thing')
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 October 2009 05:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Now it's shown on five screens and often sells out."
Wow. Who will fund (is funding?) his ent film?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 30 October 2009 06:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also his next film.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Friday, 30 October 2009 06:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Tommy Wiseau's The Lord of the Rings
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 October 2009 06:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART, SAURON
― Henry Frog (Frogman Henry), Friday, 30 October 2009 07:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh Hi, Balrog!
― i ain't no daggum son of a gun (latebloomer), Friday, 30 October 2009 11:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
He says he is working on a sitcom pilot called "The Neighbors" and has a vampire film in the works.
Oh man a Wiseau vampire movie would be so perfect.
― Otter madness (Nicole), Friday, 30 October 2009 16:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
You already put it best upthread!
I can definitely see him as some sort of weird Phantom of the Opera-esque vampire because he already looks that way anyway.― Detroit Metal City (Nicole), Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 AM (4 months ago)
― Detroit Metal City (Nicole), Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 AM (4 months ago)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 October 2009 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh hi, thread.
Saw this last weekend at a latenight screening theyre currently doing in Melb for a few weeks. The amount of screaming and cheering at the screen was amazing - got a bit annoying at times cos couldn't hear the dialogue, not that it really mattered.
Spoons EVERYWHERE, oh the humanity.
And do other screenings shout out implications at the end that Mark and Denny are giving Johnny's dead body a blowjob!?. Because they did here. Eww.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
DON'T TAHCH ME, MATHERFAHCKER!
― SHORTS? seriously? fuck off. (ojo), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 02:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
YOOAH TEARING ME APAAAHHHHT.
The bit where he trashes the house and tosses the TV out the window had the entire cinema screaming with cheers like a rock gig. I was crying with laughter because suddenly the bed was downstairs instead of upstairs, whaaaaat the fuck.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 02:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
LOL even that trailer is as all over the place as the actual plot! Like the Denny vs Chris-R thing - what the heck happened? WHERE DID HE GO?
And at the party - who the fuck was that guy who started lecuturing Lisa. WHO THE HELL WAS HE. No introduction, nothing.
TVs behind couches. Endless continuity gaffes. Bad green-screening. TERRIBLE SEX SCENES. Whats not to love.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 02:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
He and his pals play with a football in a manner that I've personally never seen before.
― Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 02:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
― am0n, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 04:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Lisas mom "I'll go and clean up the kitchen now"guy in audience: "WHAT FUCKING KITCHEN!!!???"
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 04:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 04:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is the best movie
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 04:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
"That's me!"
― t(o_o)t (ENBB), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 12:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Bastards of Young Dro, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
loooollllz
― mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Has anyone else here been to screenings? I am curious to know if the BJ thing was just a Melb thing or not - it was hella gross (and once you thought it you couldnt un-think it!)
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Thursday, 4 March 2010 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
I didn't notice it at the SF screening.
― Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 March 2010 00:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
(something like "Enjoy this quirky black comedy, it's a riot!") is also confusing as it implies that this was meant to be a dark comedy, which I really do not like is the case.
it was a post-hoc marketing move to capitalize on the fact that people thought it was so bad it was funny. clearly it was not intended to be funny.
― Poliopolice, Monday, 7 January 2013 16:22 (5 months ago) Permalink
I watched this and Birdemic for the first time within a week of each other. While Birdemic is also a perfect storm of shitty filmmaking, shitty acting, and a low budget, there have been movies like it in the past (of course, there's the infamous Plan 9...) With The Room you really get the sense that there will never be another movie like this again
i did this too. and yes, they are qualitatively different movies. Birdemic is just bad and cheap, like many movies before it. The Room is on a different plane altogether. It is almost Lynchian in its execution, where nothing is as it initially seems. It genuinely straddles a three-way fence of high art, amateurism, and outsider genius. It is so perfect that I fear, like you, that there will never be anything like it again.
― Poliopolice, Monday, 7 January 2013 16:27 (5 months ago) Permalink
Birdemic does have its worth though as a bizzare actin gfail. The main character's acting is so wooden and strange - he realy seems like some kind of robot - I bet none of the actors realized hwo terrible the eagles would look when they were put in later or they would have quit
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Monday, 7 January 2013 16:43 (5 months ago) Permalink
Birdemic is the rare bad movie that gets EVERYTHING wrong - it really looks like one of those 8th grade school project films where you accidentally pick up a ton of wind noise and there are real jarring audio/video cuts everywhere. The characters in Birdemic are terrible actors but it's a totally different degree than in The Room. It's as if you just asked randoms off the street if they wanted to be in a film and gave them no time to rehearse. Sestero's acting is really something else. I find it hard to explain why I find practically every line he gets to be hilarious.
― frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2013 17:17 (5 months ago) Permalink
I lik eho win th eend the eagles just fly away and there is no resolution or explanation at all
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:27 (5 months ago) Permalink
it definitely has a very Wiseau-esque lapse in logic when the characters decide to have a picnic as a way of showing them "getting back to nature" (which is the theme of the film, I guess) despite the fact that people are repeatedly getting killed by staying outside
― frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2013 17:35 (5 months ago) Permalink
and that biologist is like "in ancient times eagles DID ATTACK cavemen - they woudl scratch ath their faces"
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:37 (5 months ago) Permalink
― abanana, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 00:05 (5 months ago) Permalink
midnite showing this friday... tempting, but knowing myself, i'll probably walk away disgusted with half the audience in attendance
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 23:12 (4 months ago) Permalink
you gotta go. dammit i wish this was happening near me
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 23:17 (4 months ago) Permalink
The audience were certainly challenging when I saw it here in Melb, and I dunno how that compares to elsewhere, but damn it was loud. Loads of screaming and callbacks and it was hard to hear the film sometimes.
― Manti and the Catfish (Trayce), Thursday, 24 January 2013 00:41 (4 months ago) Permalink
xpost
you haven't seen this yet?!
?!?!?!seriously though, you gotta get on that
― Z S, Thursday, 24 January 2013 00:47 (4 months ago) Permalink
― Manti and the Catfish (Trayce), Thursday, 24 January 2013 01:32 (4 months ago) Permalink
the audience at the late-night showing I went to actually made quite enjoyable contributions (imo)
― (panda) (gun) (wrapped gift) (silby), Thursday, 24 January 2013 02:03 (4 months ago) Permalink
Oh same here, that was the best part. Every time Lisa would say she was going into the kitchen some guy would scream WHAT FUCKING KITCHEN!?
― Manti and the Catfish (Trayce), Thursday, 24 January 2013 02:32 (4 months ago) Permalink
if you go you will learn so much about that movie that you didn't know before
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 January 2013 02:38 (4 months ago) Permalink
personally i was glad my first viewing was not with a theater audience that knew the gd thing by heart
― an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Thursday, 24 January 2013 03:34 (4 months ago) Permalink
ftr i have watched it alone in my home once, as well as youtube clips countless times obv
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 24 January 2013 03:38 (4 months ago) Permalink
the room isn't the kind of movie you see alone!
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 January 2013 03:52 (4 months ago) Permalink
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 24 January 2013 03:56 (4 months ago) Permalink
yeah it's definitely the kind of thing that improves in a group atmosphere (although seeing it in a movie theater with room cultists was...not ideal)
― berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Thursday, 24 January 2013 04:29 (4 months ago) Permalink
that's what I'm worried about. though it will be the first time it's shown in a theater here.
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 24 January 2013 04:32 (4 months ago) Permalink
First time I watched it was at home and thought it was cool. Then I went to see it with a live audience and laughed like crazy for most of it. Don't miss it!
― everything, Thursday, 24 January 2013 04:34 (4 months ago) Permalink
best situtation to see it the first time is with some friends, especially if you guys have no idea what you're getting into. sound like the theater showing is better if you've already seen it and know the lines
― Nhex, Thursday, 24 January 2013 05:31 (4 months ago) Permalink
that was my first time seeing it, my friends and I had no idea what we were getting into - I mean I had seen youtube clips and didn't really get what the fuss was about until I realized, wait, the whole movie is like that
― frogbs, Thursday, 24 January 2013 14:40 (4 months ago) Permalink
Sooo.... book on the making of? Out in October. I am kinda loath to admit it, but I'm totally excited, and am absolutely going to read it. It's by Sestero and the guy who wrote the Harper's article? (I didn't even know there was such an article, so gonna have to track that down.)
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 14:27 (3 months ago) Permalink