Is this anti-semitism?

Yeah, I don't see why anyone would think that, but then, I don't understand most anti-semitism, and anyone inclined toward anti-semitism already is sure to find all sorts of reasons to think and say anti-semitic stuff. Zionist agenda to kill black people? Sure, why not, if it's not that it would be something else. Though certainly this is the first I've encountered the notion that Jews/Israel is responsible for brutal and/or racist police policy in the US. Like the US needs help on that front, right?

The Israeli military trains US police in racist and repressive policing tactics, which systematically targets Black and Brown bodies. The recent murders of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Arbery are examples of racialized, systematized violence. https://t.co/DJ7T2qh6RL

— US Campaign for Palestinian Rights (@USCPR_) May 28, 2020

Also: it doesn't seem like these Israeli exchange programs are necessarily that significant in the grand scheme of all of the training and instruction US police get, and also they are (at least ostensibly) typically targeted at "anti-terrorism" so I doubt they include anything along the lines of putting your knee on someone's neck, shooting a person in the back, etc.

One problem with Israel specifically identifying itself as a "Jewish state" is that it conflates Israeli state policy with Judaism in many people's minds. The IDF is a manifestation of Israel's defense policy, therefore all IDF activities are "jewish". This conflation will continue until Israel decides to disentangle itself from its specifically jewish identity.

according to the article I posted, US police were learning techniques to suppress protests, along with "counter-terrorism", and maybe some of those techniques were used in the past month.

Weirdly, one of my oldest friends has a nephew in the IDF. Nephew is the grandson of the Mr. Simpson whose first wife was Wallis; Mr Simpson’s only son (with his second wife) was a Coldstream Guard who ran away to Israel to join the IDF in the ‘50s, changed his surname and later became a free-diving expert. He married my friend’s sister, who is also a free diver, and their kid finished basic training about a year ago. Friend (who is Extremely Catholic) is super-uneasy about the idea of nephew shooting Palestinians.

This piece fleshes out Mordy's link (it has some similar timelines) with more details and why -- even if the exchange in techniques is between several police forces worldwide --Maxine Peake singled out Israel:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-us-police-training-end-knee-neck-protests

(that piece was posted by plax on ukpol thread btw)

This is on Peake's other interests.

I mean Maxine Peake does talk about loads of other issues all the time, is a Patron for @ocalanfree for instance, and does a lot to raise awareness of Turkey’s repression of Kurds. But sure she’s just single-mindedly obsessed with Israel cos she raises it in an interview?

— Rosa (@rosagilbert) June 25, 2020

found some: https://sports.yahoo.com/desean-jackson-eagles-instagram-fake-hitler-quote-anti-semitism-farrakhan-034221683.html

That's definitely anti-Semitism. Not a defense at all, but I always think it worth noting that football should be banned because it destroys its' players brains.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/02/finland-s-air-force-phasing-out-swastika-symbol-from-its-logos

political correctness gone mad

Maybe if more people used the swastika it would lose its power.

They forgot to mention that Eric von Rosen was Hermann Göring's brother-in-law. Pure happenstance, no doubt.

desean jackson is an idiot but he apologized and i'm sure will give a more thorough serious apology later -- i don't think he should be cut and one thing i like about the eagles is that they've always seemed to be committed to forgiveness and second chances for their players whether it's from dog fighting, or drug use, or n-word use, or imo black hebrew israelite antisemitism. esp if he's willing to be contrite.

Very magnanimous of you, Mordy, I think all hell would have broken loose if anyone in the public eye in the UK had posted that material, whereas it just seems to have been shrugged off as one of those things in the US. It's a funny old world and no mistake, cor blimey guv'nor.

tbf he's a football player not a politician; my expectations are different.

aye mate, fancy to viddy some footy, wot wot

Afaic, someone who hung a dog from a noose and then used a nailgun to nail it to a tree through its throat shouldn't be allowed to live in human society any longer, much less be forgiven for that sin and make millions of dollars a year doing so, but I guess I'm always seen as the unreasonable one in this argument.

tl;dr: Michael Vick deserves nothing but eternal shaming and expulsion from society for what he did.

yeah fuck the Eagles. the band and the team.

xp not unreasonable - i think the urge for punishment + expungement of moral contamination to be v understandable but i prefer rehabilitation + forgiveness as a general model for justice. vick served his time in prison and through his speech and actions demonstrated that he had repented from his former behavior and was striving to be a better person. in a field like sports where the stakes are so low modeling this sort of journey can i think be useful for pro-social transformation.

tbf he's a football player not a politician; my expectations are different.

He'd have still been hung out to dry.

I think if the Riley Cooper incident happened today he'd be cut pretty quickly so I don't think that's a fair yardstick for Jackson. No one's entitled to earn millions of dollars playing football if their employer would prefer not to associate itself with his commentary.

xpost

I generally agree with you, but abusing animals is psychopathic behavior.

https://www.theonion.com/redskins-kike-owner-refuses-to-change-team-s-offensive-1819575738

Hmm, yeah I don't really think that accomplishes what it sets out to, not good

And somehow I can't imagine them doing that with another ethnic group

I think the problem with it is that, while I get that they are trying to ironize the owner's stance, using slurs is by its nature an attack on an entire group, not just on the target individual. So the "taste of his own medicine" approach doesn't really work.

just realized that's like 7 years old fwiw

Abe Foxman agrees with you: https://www.adl.org/news/media-watch/onion-article-oversteps-bounds

And uses a racial slur in his letter to really drive the point home

I think the onion article is good, idk. It's just as anti-semitic as an Eli Valley cartoon

where is the slur in his letter?

It starts with an R

does the autoreplace still work on ilx?

Redskins

guess not

Jews are all rich!
Okay, and?
Jews control the banks!
Okay, and?

Go out get a job and become rich too, maybe even the CEO of a bank, hating on Jews won’t get you anywhere, and if you are too stupid or lazy to do so, blame yourself, not the Jews.

End of class.

— Reagan Battalion (@ReaganBattalion) July 15, 2020

Some very helpful stuff by "Reagan Battalion," thank you

That is anti-Semitic, yes

Indeed. On par with Trump stating that 'the only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day'.

It's incredible that I'd almost forgotten about that quote until I read yr post.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/07/15/viacomcbs-fires-nick-cannon-over-anti-semitic-remarks/5440835002/

Good on him for apologizing but that quote is still fucked up and – from a non-American perspective – a clear-cut, inexcusable instance of racist hate speech:

"The people that don’t have (melanin) are – and I'm going to say this carefully – a little less,” Cannon said. "When they didn't have the power of the sun, it started to deteriorate them so then, they’re acting out of fear, they’re acting out of low self-esteem, they’re acting out of a deficiency.”

Cannon continued: "So, therefore, the only way that they can act is evil. They have to rob, steal, rape, kill in order to survive. So then, these people that didn’t have what we have – and when I say 'we,' I speak of the melanated people – they had to be savages. … They’re acting as animals so they’re the ones that are actually closer to animals. They’re the ones that are actually the true savages."

Running with race as a social construct to further equality is a defensible stance but essentializing it will always be wrong as far as I'm concerned, regardless of intent.

Ah, the miracle of melanin! I haven't heard that one since the '90s.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/politics/david-perdue-jon-ossoff-takes-down-ad/index.html

Let's talk about the anti-semitism on the left some more, please.

is it possible to call something out in one instance without snarkily downplaying others

^^^ true left speaking.

You are right (of course).

the right does get away with murder on this issue, often literally

they want to make it about the left all the time but there’s no need to play along

Reading this on "Black Antisemitism"

https://newsocialist.org.uk/black-antisemitism-and-antiracist-solidarity/

like you read my mind, been thinking a lot about these issues since posters for the Blackhammer Organization started appearing in my 75% Black neighborhood. i'll let you do some searching, but Gazi Kodzo is the 'chief' of said organization, a splinter from the New Black Panther Party, and very recently wrote some absolutely despicable things about Anne Frank on the Twitter....but also made some necessary points about the way the education system works in the US, and how a philosemitism has been allowed to replace any sort of nuanced understanding of colonialism and the horrors of chattel slavery, particularly in a US context.

thanks a lot for posting.

so you're saying he "had some good points"