Radiohead - In Rainbows

I almost wonder if the whole idea of the set is pre-Xmas gift.

i am a radiohead fan, & have visited the site, & i am looking forward to this album, but i do not understand what any of you are saying. can any of you explain what is going on to me as you might to a 12 year old brother in law (ie a 12 year old but one whom you had respect for or at least feared the potential consequences of upsetting or misleading).

Anyone posting anything serious on this thread is on the verge of being banned from the noise board, fyi.

Hey there sport! That stupid weird band I seem to like so much? They're releasing some new media files (that we used to call "albums" back in the day) in 10 days! And they didn't start hyping it 8 months ago, which is typically the case, in order for rockstars to swim in their pools made of gold. And We The Fans can decide how much we want to pay for those files, because it's the 21st century and Anarchy's en vogue. So I opted not to pay, because I know I'll be a sucker for the eventual release of said files pressed to disc and smothered in artwork. Now lets forget about this nonsense and get back to Brett Favre.
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jaw drops and we only have to wait ten days.

brilliant!

the real question is how will Trent Reznor respond

http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/jariel/atomicblast.jpeg

a new chapter in his year zero game surely

Anyone posting anything serious on this thread is on the verge of being banned from the noise board, fyi.

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, October 1, 2007 5:28 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

uh oh lol

OMG this is so awesome I don't know what to say.

OTM.

this is great.
they came up with the best way i've seen to date for beating the leaks and avoiding fans from just downloading the album. this way its pretty much a donation type deal.
they certainly know their audience. i would have supported them and bought a new album but i feel like the majority wouldnt.

wish the free one was 18 tracks though.

wish the free one was 18 tracks though.

they need some incentive to sell the 'discbox' besides vinyl and digital photos that'll be on the internet the day the thing is sent out anyway.

so awesome

Speak of keeping a secret.

Always interesting even though they haven't been close to their artistic potential since "OK Computer".

t/s paying a cent for a new radiohead album because it's not worth any more

vs

just not bothering, and that being my comment.

October 10 prediction:

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free one?

October 10 prediction:

The earth opens up and swallows everyone who opted not to pay for their download. "It's up to you" ..!? Radiohead are obviously testing our moral character here.

I say that a Radiohead album is worth $0.00!!!!

Also, you people who like Radiohead are retards.

Billy Pilgrim OTM.

As someone mentioned on another board, I could totally see Radiohead sending out tickets for some special tour to those that bought the discbox while giving two fingers to the $0.00 downloaders.

Or: the more you pay, the longer before the tracks fade out :-)

Industry types resond:

Adam Benzine of music industry bible 'Music Week' said it will really shake things up in terms of album pricing.

"Radiohead have really put the cat amongst the pigeons with this one," he told NME.COM. "The album will revolutionise the way people think about music. It had already forced people to question how much music is actually worth.

http://www.nme.com/news/radiohead/31470

Cheers industry types!

Or: the more you pay, the longer before the tracks fade out :-)

This is an incentive!?

Coolfer generally OTM, except I think this will shake things up more than he seems to suggest in his post.

http://www.coolfer.com/blog/archives/2007/09/radiohead_album.php

i wonder how much money Waste Products Ltd took last night?

They are regarded by some music critics as the world's best rock band.

Just so you know...

wish the free one was 18 tracks though.

they need some incentive to sell the 'discbox' besides vinyl and digital photos that'll be on the internet the day the thing is sent out anyway.

No, I would guess they need some incentive to charge £40 for the deluxe version rather than the regular version. It says "So Far, it is only available from this website"-- so the idea is that eventually they will ship regular CDs, eh? I would guess this will happen on 12/3, same as when those who ordered the huge package get their shit. That is the release date.

Oct. 10, however, is the leak date: What Radiohead have done is leaked their own album, two months before its physical release -- same as everything else -- but they turned it into an event and a moral decision about whether you should pay for that leak or you should just steal/take it/sample it and maybe buy it later, whatever you want to call it. And they've enticed people to actually give them money for a leak in part by, at this moment, setting up this deluxe product as your only other choice to pay for their music.

well, the NME is reporting that the regular version, the single-disc one, is coming out in early 08 (i.e. after the holiday buying season), so, if true, my guesswork is already proven wrong, haha.

I was so enthusiastic about this this morning but now I just want to say - shittiest album title ever.

Yeah, in this case they're really just "leaking" their album 3 months early, giving people an opportunity to buy a really nice physical product, and leaving it up to the individual to pay and consume as they see fit, really. It's really genius. "Hey, this is our album, and it's going to leak, but we'll be the ones to leak it. And some of you will never pay for this, and we understand that, so we're going to let you pay whatever you want to. We're respecting the way shit is done these days. We know that, if you respect us, you will pay us somehow for our hard work and good music, and if you don't you won't. This would happen either way, but at least now we're doing this on our own terms."

So why isn't it out today? What's the ten day hold up? Are they drunk?

Also, whoever said they might give free concert tickets or something to the people who bought the $80 package thing is probably OTM here. Otherwise, I don't really see why they're bundling all that stuff up and making it impossible for anyone to order just the CD as of now . . . unless it's just because *that's what they want to do*, and that's what this whole thing is about anyway - a band creating and distributing its music the way it wants to as much as that can be done these days.

oops, sorry, xpost

I just heard it was a hoax. Have asked how he knows, but no reply.

Ah, no there was a hoax one last week. This is real. False alarm.

It would be a very easy way to steal a lot of money, though, especially with the 10-day delay. Mind you, you'd only be stealing as much as people volunteered to pay.

Disc 2: Bangers and Mash!

Bangers and Mash: as performed by Thom Yorke and PJ Harvey:

Him: I met her down in Napoli and didn't she look great?
And so I brought her back to Blighty just to show me mates,
And though we're married happily I'll tell you furthermore
I haven't had a decent meal since 1944.

Her: Eat your minestrone, Joe.
Him: That's all you ever say.
Her: Eat your macaroni, Joe.
Him: Ever blinking day.
Her: No wonder you're so bony, Joe, and skinny as a rake.
Him: Well then, give us a bash at the bangers and mash me mother used to make.

Him: Bangers and mash,
Her: Minestrone,
Him: Bangers and mash,
Her: Macaroni,
Him: Give us a bash at the bangers and mash me mother used to make.

Her: Eat your tagliatelle, Joe.
Him: That's all I've heard for years.
Her: Eat your vermicelli, Joe.
Him: It's coming out me ears!
Her: You've got to fill your belly, Joe, Joe for heaven's sake!
Him: Well then, give us a bash at the bangers and mash me mother used to make.

Her: Well alright!
Him: Bangers and mash,
Her: Tagliatelle,
Him: Bangers and mash,
Her: Vermicelli,
Him: Give us a bash at the bangers and mash me mother used to make.

Reporter: (Spoken) 1943. Allied forces land in Italy.
Him: There's a smashing-looking bird over there, Bert. I think she's showing out there.
Bert: (Camp) Well why don't you chat her up, then?
Him: Right. Bon-gorno, sig-noreena there. Here, are you married?
Her: Drop-a dead-a.
Him: There you are, you can't have a fairer answer than that, can you?

Her: I met him back in Italy, so dashing and good-looking,
He wined me and he dined me every night.
He said I smiled so prettily and how he loved my cooking,
But since he's married me it seems he's lost his appetite.

Him: Eat-a your tagliatelle, Soph.
Her: That's all you ever say.
Him: Eat-a your vermicelli, Soph.
Her: Ooh! Every blooming day.
Him: You've-a got to fill your belly, Soph, Soph for heaven's sake!
Her: Well then, give us a bash at the bangers and mash your mother used to make.

Him: Bangers and-a mash,
Her: Minestrone,
Him: Bangers and-a mash,
Her: Macaroni,
Him: Give me a bash with (she laughs uncontrollably) the banger and the mash like the same one that your mother was — what are you laughing at now? Now, this is miserable, please!

Her: Joe?
Him: Yes?
Her: Why don't you belt up, or I'll give you a punch up the throat!
Him: Now she's-a tells me. Ha! Mamma mia!

What could the rationale possibly be for paying for the download, though? Once they offer it for free, then any money you decide to give is just like giving to charity. Only I'm not too sure Thom Yorke needs my charity.

Which band/label is it that does a pay as much as you like thing for downloads, and publishes the average as a guide?

Can you get one though?

I can't.

Bought one. Rather excited.

ha ha "industry types" weighing in. These people--whose livelihood depends on the status quo--are the primary reason that the industry has tanked. They are the reason Radiohead is doing what they are doing. And if you've read Coolfer long enough, it's obvious that Glenn is dubious of technology and is empathetic to the old guard.

This is a great move by a great band.

I really hope we get to see the stats on how many discboxes were ordered within the first 24 hours of that announcement.

This is a great move by a great band.

Props to them for trying something different, but I'm not so sure that it is prefiguring the future of music delivery. It's a move that could only be made by a band that was already phenomenally successful, and its business model seems to be: "The music's free, but we'll soak the geek-fan who fetishises the object." Not sure that's really going to work for 99 percent of people who make music.

Is it soaking if it's a package full of art and goodies?

Is it soaking if it's a package full of art and goodies?

"soak" was maybe unnecessarily pejorative, no one's forced to buy anything. But the tactic is to go upmarket. Forget about trying to make money out of the average punter, and to make up for it, charge the uber-fans 4 times more. (You can be sure that the product itself is not going to cost 4 times more to produce).

It's clearly not going to change things for most bands, let alone a billion dollar industry.

The thing I love is that it reinforces the value of DIY, or at least as DIY as band of Radiohead's stature can be.

I really don't see why anyone would care if someone wants to pay $80 for what amounts to art, especially given what the box contains (I thought soaking the rich was good!). Seems like a good value to me, although I probably won't buy it. I certainly would rather the band get more of my money than some dude on eBay.

I think the main thing is that it prompts ideas. Obviously it's not going to change how things are done straightaway, but it's interesting and they're a band that's huge enough that when they do something like this, it gets the big labels to sit up and take notice.

A lot of artists these days are self-releasing records in a similar way but for the most part it's happening on the fringes. With Radiohead, at the very least, we'll get to see whether something like this can be viable or not in the long run, and yeah hopefully encourage more artists to take a bit more control in terms of how they want to make money from their music.

Is In Rainbows the new punk? A 24,000 word essay in multiple instalments. Coming soon to a magazine near you!

Put it this way.

Fan, or person who does not want to wait, pays £12 for a new CD.

The rest of us wait a year and get it for £5.

This way, Fan, or person with £40 disposable, buys this.

The rest of us get a cheapie.

I don't care if someone wants to pay $80 and I don't think Radiohead are doing anything "wrong" and I think it's an interesting experiment - but I don't think this model's really leading anywhere either. From a financial perspective, I'm guessing they'll make a fraction of what they made from OK Computer or Kid A. But yeah, props for trying something different.

From a financial perspective, I'm guessing they'll make a fraction of what they made from OK Computer or Kid A

Like EMI didn't make most of the money from those anyway, gimme a break!