2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Yeah, honestly, I think Palin is a dead letter at this point for a variety of reasons.

i can def see her making a third place in iowa 5th in nh then drop out and go home sort of run

ya similar to giuliani kinda? star of the party runs for pres in an election past her prime but hardline supporters still hold on for dear life

Giuliani was never really a Republican star though, except for immediately post-9/11.

More like an even more right-wing Quayle actually (except like ya know popular).

Alan Keyes II: The Revenge

We can only hope, but I don't think Keyes was ever popular either.

assuming the current trend holds, people will maybe say that mccain lost despite palin and not because of palin, and the way people in the far right of the gop are gushing about her i can see her at least giving it a major shot in '12. in fact i would be surprised if she didn't.

I think she will be the nominee in 2012. Can I get odds on this?

If she didn't have Troopergate hanging over her head I might agree, omar. (I'm not about to go all Fitzmas on next Friday's report -- do not count chickens etc., and that includes elections of course -- but the sense right now, especially now that the legal attempts to block the report and the subpoenas are almost exhausted, and especially *since* those attempts were so immediate and frenetic to start with after she was named as VP candidate, seems like she's going to be in a world of political hurt on that front soonish. If so and if she faces a crippled remainder of term or worse as a result, that's going to be major hay for potential rivals -- who are also probably thinking right now how best to combine those points of hers that appeal with a sense of 'hey, I also actually know what I'm talking about.')

Thus Jindal in four years if he's lucky: "*Unlike* a certain governor from up north I saw out my time as governor here being squeaky clean. And I'm from Louisiana of all places!"

also TedStevensGate is now a go too, after the judge threatened to dismiss the case

as in the trial will go on, despite the frustrated judge etc

Pfff holy shit. The mere notion of this possibility (SP candidacy), after the exposure so far, gives me reluctant confidence that the regular Norwegian slang expression for overly facevalue idiot chaos'n'lol pageantry -- "American situations" loosely translated -- is not entirely unwarranted.

No offense or animus or anything AT ALL intended to all you nonidiotic Americans, srsly.

(Another slang expression when chaos gets totally overboard, btw, is "completely Texas". Again, n.o.i. to Texans.)

Sadly many other countries fall for "American traditions" too

Oh they & we have our own traditions of wrongity as well of course. You're so much more visible though.

Norwegian slang expression for overly facevalue idiot chaos'n'lol pageantry -- "American situations" loosely translated -- is not entirely unwarranted.

(Another slang expression when chaos gets totally overboard, btw, is "completely Texas". Again, n.o.i. to Texans.)

― anatol_merklich, Saturday, October 4, 2008 8:35 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

L O L :) !

Both of those were hell to try to translate (because as slang obv untranslatable); the originals for the record:

amerikanske tilstander
helt Texas

"completely Texas" makes me think that we have our own version of rhyming slang, tho

Mind you, we also have that slang thing in soccer, that if things tend to be somewhat unruly regarding both play and discipline, ie the soccer equivalent of "totally Texas" (goalies running around trying to score in dying moments, reckless revenge tackles, disorganized midfield battles consisting of useless 10 m high headers etc) is called... "Hawaii Football".

I doubt soccer is sufficiently pervasive in Hawaii to have caused a prominent style from there etc etc, so caveat lector obv.

(All of this surely mostly demonstrates that despite Matt Johnson's claim, we were the original 51st state. Marshall Help thankyou!)

omg you guys, we should be campaigning for a Keyes/Palin ticket

no way, Huckabee/Palin would be the cutest, folksiest ticket ever! winks, bass, Ric Flair

you guys no way are we winning in 2012 i am seeing dark clouds so worried ahhh

Due to Palin's comments about Obama being friends with terrorists, a McCain supporter in PA just called my mother (her friend) and explained that she can no longer vote for McCain. Palin is just too batshit crazy for her. So she's gonna vote Obama instead.

:D

what comments? xp

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html

"We see America as the greatest force for good in this world," Palin said at a fund-raising event in Colorado, adding, "Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Quick Q: I know The Corner has no shame in general, but isn't it embarrassing for them to stump for American Carol? Can't they be like: Well, politically we like it, but yeah, it's pretty awful.

"Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

?!???!?!?

Which country? Opponent Country?

Also, and in addition also, who he?

you guys no way are we winning in 2012 i am seeing dark clouds so worried ahhh

I think there is plenty to be bleak about in terms of the next four years in general. I also think I'd rather have someone in charge who acts with a modicum of restraint and forethought than not -- if the next presidential term is a poisoned chalice for whoever wins, then there's still something to be said for making a choice that holds some promise of ameliorating the effects.

For what it's worth that was half-joking in reference to Palin/Keyes '12

Clarity.

It was 'half-joking' because I think you're right: we're about to go through a tough four years, and it's gonna require an alignment of stars completely out of the president's control to keep the country above water. We'll have to wait and see, and the outcome of those events (and Obama's handling of them) is gonna determine the outcome of '12. FDR or Hoover etc.

Well, I'd say the fact that Obama's already said "Yeah, a lot of the planned program work is going to have to be put on hold" in re: bailout and all is a good sign. Naturally it's not going to be hyperpublicized but at least it's out there.

no way is it huckabee/palin. establishment types aint trustin

Hahah, some VERY necessary reading about what went down in Anchorage today:

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/mccain-palin-rally-vs-obama-biden-rally-in-anchorage-the-blow-by-blow/

Ain't going to happen, I figure, but if somehow Alaska went for Obama, I would *laugh*...

“Gee, I miss you guys… I heard there were a few flakes today. I miss that weather. It’s been so amazeen travelin’ across this great country and meetin’ people, and even Alaskans down here also as we travel across the country also meetin’ people… I miss you guys SOOO much.”

Folksy!

One of the most underrated pleasures of an Obama victory will be reading The Corner in the days of and after the election.

I admit -- crossing my fingers, not counting chickens, etc. -- that will be a deep, deep delight. So here's hoping.

OBAMA DEFEATS McCAIN

Amazing!

my mom has been insulting via the term "obamalover" ( hence the name change). She's deeply into palin even knowing palin is a liar.

Thank god she's in California re: electoral votes

"obama lover". That's a good one. Can't wait to hear someone use the phrase "obama engineered".

She's deeply into palin even knowing palin is a liar.

Battered voter syndrome.

omfg tell me about it.

Support the team. Abandon all principles. Etc

countdown to morbs

Maybe Palin could have her own talk show after this is over. I think she would prefer that anyway - the fame without the scrutiny, and the work, and the responsibility.

VP debate parody on SNL, very lol

Barney rubble [Mark Steyn]

Re the post below on Congressman Frank and his Fannie male, a reader e-mails with a proposed Hollywood adaptation: Broke Bank Mountain.

On the other hand, apropos "gay mafias" in general:

In defense of the BBC (words I never thought I'd type), Doctor Who has been turned into a multi-million dollar cash cow for the government-run Corporation. If the US Government put gays like that in charge of Fannie and Freddie, we might not be in this pickle.

In fairness to Barney and his pal, they did manage to give Lehman Bros, Wachovia et al the amazing powers of Doctor Who's Tardis. One minute the bank's standing there, the next it's vanished. If only we knew where to. But somewhere out there is a distant galaxy that's suddenly acquired an amazing new ATM network.

10/05 01:00 AM

WTF??? The gays??