2008 Primaries Thread

I mean the level of flipflopping McCain has done in the past three years makes Hillary seem really consistent. I know, lol, right?

As for Clinton haters within the Dem party, we'll wait and see once we get to the general election.

Well, here's the big X factor.

Assuming this whole thing plods all the way until July, there will still be FOUR MONTHS until the election. Doesn't seem like a long time, but it's barely been over a month since Iowa happened, for sake of perspective.

Supposing HRC gets the nomination, it's anyone's guess who will come off as more trustworthy than the other, because the campaigns are going to change DRASTICALLY for both of them.

Just sayin', testing out who's trustworthy NOW seems pretty pointless to me.

Also Ghost Of Ned: IRAQ ECONOMY IRAQ ECONOMY IRAQ ECONOMY BUSHLICKING BOOGABOOGABOOGA etc.

I'd say McCain is more consistent than Hillary. If I am wrong, please provide examples.

The first thing that will be milked out of McCain is his complete asskissing of Bush, which was bright as day during the past four years. That alone will be a major blow.

to clarify, now that I've read your question again, what i'm saying is that "trustworthy" is similar to the (ugh i hate this term) "straight talk"/"character" factor. in re:the war, I am against it, but I don't think that McCain was/is for it for the same duplicitous reasons many others were. which doesn't make it right, but isn't a damning factor against his trustworthinessitude either.

lotsa xposts there

Also Ghost Of Ned: IRAQ ECONOMY IRAQ ECONOMY IRAQ ECONOMY BUSHLICKING BOOGABOOGABOOGA etc.

Verbatim.

McCain was more consistent in asshattery, I'll give you that.

I mean I hear you guys about your concerns about Hillaryhate sinking her, but I think you guys are really letting your fears take the best from you.

Wait until the nominations are locked in, THEN worry, if you're going to worry about the GE.

Just sayin', testing out who's trustworthy NOW seems pretty pointless to me.

ok, but if so why did you ask the question about trustworthiness of McCain vs. Clinton vs. Obama in the first place?

Shocking, but a lot of people really LIKE Hillary too. I know it's a strange world outside this thread.

ok, but if so why did you ask the question about trustworthiness of McCain vs. Clinton vs. Obama in the first place?

Because I wanted to point out that the worrying was kinda pointless *right now*, and there are other things to galvanize first.

Re: Romney bailing -- looking pretty likely.

christ does anybody really want to watch anymore totally boring debates? what the hell would they even have to talk about that hasn't been enumerated countless times in the last dozen or so debates anyway...?

also why was Lieberman a superdelegate at all...? I thought he was an independent now?

But how many of you think McCain feels more trustworthy to the undecided than either Obama or HRC? Honest question here.

or maybe not

Question is this -- let's say Romney does in fact go any second now. Does Huckabee stay in? Hell, does Ron Paul?

I admit it would be pretty funny for there to be one last GOP candidate debate and have it just be McCain and Paul up there.

I guess what I'm saying is: if you think it will be easy to sink Hillary, wait until the guns are pointed at McCain. Not saying there won't be misfires on either side, but it's "over" if HRC wins the Dem Nomination, which seems to be the really odd sentiment in his thread.

Again, I'm caucusing for Obama this Saturday, but I'm def. supporting Hillary if she wins on *idealogical* grounds, not "GAWD, well i guess i HAVE to vote for her" grounds.

xpost - John, my honesty was, um, honest. I just wanted to clarify that my *asking the question* was *not* meant to be a snarky statement against HRC or Obama, which it could have easily been taken, ESPECIALLY in this thread.

Paul is never gonna concede, he wants his time in the spotlight - I'll bet he stays in right up to the convention.

Paul is likely going to stay until at least Texas.

if Romney is dropping out "really soon", that will make the GOP semi-cockus this Saturday in WA really interesting for Ron Paul.

So I guess part of the Obama response now re: debates is that the Clinton camp sent their offer for more debates to the press before they sent it to to Obama's campaign, i guess trying to play her move as grandstanding for the media. (which may be true, they want the attention on this debate issue and off of her self-loan or fundraising stories)

occasional weirdo indie rockers aside, a 3rd party Paul would take more votes away from Republicans than Democrats, no?

Paul even LOOKS like Perot, sorta. Of course.

Perot, but with a Scientology sheen.

So I guess part of the Obama response now re: debates is that the Clinton camp sent their offer for more debates to the press before they sent it to to Obama's campaign, i guess trying to play her move as grandstanding for the media.

If that's true, maybe the best response would be to publicly say "we're considering it" and delay a little to take some of the steam out of the issue?

More via NRO re: Romney:

This is the Final Countdown [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

I'd read what Byron reads into the e-mail and media drop-off too. I also am told there is a finance call right after his CPAC speech. I take that to mean there will be news in the CPAC speech. Either way, this is the beginning of the closing.

02/07 12:14 PM

More Re: Romney Pulling Out? [Byron York]

I just talked to another source in the Romney camp about the possibility that Romney is preparing to pull out of the race. "I think you pretty much nailed it," he told me. "You might also note that there have been no media buys placed since Super Tuesday. The radio silence is deafening. Go to CPAC. I would highly recommend it."

02/07 12:07 PM

ROMNEY OUT!

about the upcoming february primaries/caucuses, it no doubt looks positive for obama. but i'm a little nervous about wisconsin, texas, and ohio (my home state). i don't know, maybe all the momentum obama will get from the upcoming primaries will really help him out in texas/ohio (as will the funds, extra campaigning, etc.), but those two states' demographics look pretty good for hillary, to such an extent that obama's lead with the upcoming states might not matter with those two contests.

OBAMENTUM

Speaking of fundraising, have a laugh:

http://www.february7.org/

"STOP HILLARY...oh um yeah you can stop Obama too. Uh."

So Romney is apparently not dropping out but "suspending" his campaign.

So you think Romney's departure could possibly help Huck end the McMentum?? As much as Huckabee scares the shit out of me, he would probably be easier for the dem candidate to beat than McCain in...

"not dead, but merely sleeping"

how is it that Fuckabee is hanging in longer than Romney...?

Jesus power

Churches vote in larger packs than senior management.

morbius's impression of edward g. robinson is uncanny

okay, this is probably old had (and irrelevant) to everything & anything, but i kinda like it: Hey There Obama

I'm imagining Romney with a little pulsating light in his forehead indicating that he is in sleep mode.

Romney of Borg

Huckabee's chortling big time.

I'm torn between my enthusiasm for Obama and my hatred for precocious children.

The 'suspending' bit is hilarious because 2 to 1 says Romney is thinking, "Wait, I can hold on to my delegates and be a kingmaker at the convention."

Watching this CPAC thing on CNN.com, talk about boring. Blah blah blah, you should all read Atlas Shrugged and Conscience Of A Conservative, blah blah.

you should all read Atlas Shrugged

did Romney actually say this???!

RON PWNL

He's the non-senator, ya know.

No more mittmentum, campaign suspended

rats, bbc behind, carry on nothing to see here.

Romney on c-span right now, introduced by Laura Ingram as the "only conservative left in this race."

Hasn't dropped the bomb yet.

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