Is this anti-semitism?

polish sensitivity about complicity in the holocaust is a really big thing involved legislation a year or so ago that made a minor imbroglio w/ the israeli gov. many years ago i wrote about a comic book that took place in sobibor and made the terrible mistake of calling it a polish death camp. i knew of course that it was polish in that it was in poland and not that the polish people ran it but there was an enormous tumult w/ lots of angry letters and thread discussions on polish language forums. it does seem pathological to some extent even putting aside what we know (like that many polish ppl were collaborators) bc how many americans could tell you anything about poland and ww2 really. sorta a non-issue unless it's gnawing at you.

I suppose I draw a line between the people the extermination was targeted at and the people of the occupied countries.

The treatment of occupied countries varied widely. For example, France was generally spared from the more brutal forms of German occupation. Greece was treated with extraordinary harshness, although it's true the Greeks were allowed to starve to death at home rather than be shipped to death camps. In terms of oppression by the German occupiers, the Poles were a step above the Greeks or Russians, but far below the French or Dutch. iow, they also suffered, just not at Holocaust levels.

In terms of oppression by the German occupiers, the Poles were a step above the Greeks or Russians

Depends which "Poles" you're talking about. I mean, 10% of the population died in extermination camps.

having been in Poland last year I learned more about the government (not necessarily the current admin, which... ugh) but the structure since WW2. basically there was a government-in-exile situation with a large displaced group that left and, for the most part, didn't return. the government-in-exile had a reconciliation that I'd have to learn more about to understand, but the short version is that the post-Soviet post-Walesa government got the stamp of approval from the exiles and that was that

most of the exiled poles remained in Britain or moved elsewhere in the west post-war. so there's an entire lineage that some Poles trace from the soldiers who left or were imprisoned after the soviet invasion, fought with Britain and the western bloc during the war, and remained in exile until that reconciliation. they don't see any common ground with the government that existed until 1990

Maybe I'm too soft about it, but I don't like to jealously guard my oppression status. I think Poles suffered a good amount under the Nazis. Complicity/responsibility when you are under harsh occupation is a thorny question.

i think you might want to guard your oppression status against these particular ppl

https://t.co/O46oOanrIE pic.twitter.com/Jo4f8ZOXnF

— Ice Cube (@icecube) June 10, 2020

He also tweeted this a few days ago :(

https://www.jns.org/rapper-ice-cube-gets-chilly-reception-over-sharing-anti-semitic-image/

the fuck

I guess that's it for his new movie "Friday Night"

It's just Time Cube redux, down to the antisemitic rhetoric.

Ice Cube, Judea Wants a Word With You

Wow, what a shock. Next time you'll tell me that Professor Griff was anti-Semitic too.

kind of hypocritical for him to attack cubes

I first noticed his account getting weird attention the other day when he, from what I could tell, inadvertently posted an image that had a Qan0n reference in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApFlNjYWTM0&

1993

Re the “black cube of Saturn” tweet - I can see the issue with the previous one with the Star of David, but is the Saturn stuff also anti Semitic? I tried googling to see if there was a connection. Just checking cos an occult Instagram I follow posts a lot of Saturn stuff but I’ll unfollow it in an instant if it’s a dog whistle I hadn’t caught

I wonder what he makes of the Kaaba.

will it shock you to hear that the black cube of Saturn conspiracy theory bullshit is both anti-semitic and anti-muslim?

Tbf they don't always go hand in hand. See, for instance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonné_M%27bala_M%27bala

(Link needs to be copied and pasted into the address bar, obv.)

yes I'm aware there are people who are anti-semitic and not anti-muslim

Sorry, I guess I meant to say that while I'm not exactly shocked I felt like the question needed to be asked anyway. As it stands, it's a double whammy of hateful idiocy.

the saturn cube thing is satanic NWO, reptilian etc. and symbols that are black cubes such as the qabaa and tefillin are purported to be worshipping this satanic force

didn't even think of the tefillin connection

https://theoutline.com/post/2382/the-sadness-of-saturn?zd=1&zi=eu2dhsh6

I am sad the outline got eaten by Bustle

the electrifying wide receiver jerry jeudy wears a bejeweled star of david pendant because "people sometimes call me jew"
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28781976/wr-jerry-jeudy-says-meant-no-disrespect-wearing-star-david-pendant

I'm gonna say that is not anti-semitism

i pretty much agree! just dumb!

not offensive to me, in fact I think that's kind of cool

Yeah, I don't find that offensive, it's kind of charming.

"When outspoken Christian and All-Star third baseman Washington Parayid of the Yankees is asked why he draws a Star of David with his bat in the sand of the on-deck circle, he says it is because 'some of the guys call me Yid.'"

Maybe just bc it's not too common for people to appropriate Jewish stuff to be cool

Yeah, that's a good explanation of why I found it sort of charming.

Curious to hear the opinion of Jewish ILXors on this currently unfolding ukpol debacle:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/25/keir-starmer-sacks-rebecca-long-bailey-from-shadow-cabinet

Keir Starmer has sacked Rebecca Long-Bailey as shadow education secretary after she tweeted praise for an interview in which the actor Maxine Peake said the US police tactic of kneeling on someone’s neck was taught by the Israeli secret service.

…

Long-Bailey had tweeted: “Maxine Peake is an absolute diamond,” linking to an interview with the Independent in which the actor said the practice of kneeling on a person’s neck – which led to the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis – was “learnt from seminars with Israeli secret services”. Israel denies this.

Some minimal context: Rebecca Long-Bailey is Jeremy Corbyn's protégé and she lost this year's Labour Party leadership election to Keir Starmer.

how often are mossad giving seminars to the police departments of second-tier US cities

on the exotic tactic of kneeling on a guy's head

Yes the "Israel invented police brutality" meme. Definitely no police brutality before 1948.

also why did he not house-clean her when he took office anyway

my opinion is that the hunger to link israel to US police brutality is pretty telling of the speaker's interests + motivations. i read one writer reply to this claim that the US didn't need to go to Israel to learn how to kill black ppl.

You may wish to avoid the ukpol threads even more than usual, then.

the police learned it from sacha baron cohen iirc

Peake said she was wrong fwiw

I mean you should certainly never approvingly retweet something you haven't read, especially if you're a high-ranking government official

it's a long interview!

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/maxine-peake-interview-labour-corbyn-keir-starmer-black-lives-matter-a9583206.html

If you're a politician and you're going to tweet your approval it would be a good idea to read the whole thing down to each semi-colon and comma.

especially if, as I assume, your boss has a team of people dedicated to reviewing your public statements for reasons to fire you

And in as explosive a context as this one.

Yes, on both counts.