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Lifeson and Lee have both released solo albums, and tbh I haven't heard a note of either.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link

The Geddy Lee one is pretty good

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link

From the doc extras:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRi0k1HPcbY

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link

looks like Lifeson and I had similar experiences re ecstasy.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:57 (four years ago) link

Oh, and for anyone that has not heard the story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPxwSF4CGyo

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link

Speaking of Clockwork Angels, Peart's collaborator, writer Kevin Anderson, on his final visit:

https://www.facebook.com/TheKJA/posts/10158284413957044

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link

aw man <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 January 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link

Gosh.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 January 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link

been going through the '70s records in order. imo each of these is better than the last, it's a wonderful progression to track

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link

Pretty great accounting Peart wrote about growing up in his hometown, which the local paper presumably reupped or took from elsewhere (the date claims it was published yesterday):

https://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/whatson-story/9804404-neil-peart-in-his-own-words-growing-up-in-st-catharines/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link

Looks like said piece was written in the early 90s, from what I can tell.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link

https://scottkfish.com/2015/12/01/neil-peart-on-keith-moons-dogs-part-two/

“Most modern sessions — they would have kicked him right out. You can’t play that fill! You can’t do that! Just shut up and play the beat! — is the unfortunate thing that might happen to a rising Keith Moon today if he got in the wrong band or didn’t have the character sense to stick to it and say, ‘This is the way I play. I’m going to play that way.’

If he wasn’t that stubborn and convicted of his own values, then he might get swallowed up. As many a good musician has.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link

From the legend who broke them in the US

It's hard for me to write this, but here is my tribute to Neil Peart, in my newest blog post: https://t.co/xpu9dGDhmr

— Donna Halper (@DevorahLeah) January 12, 2020

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 January 2020 00:53 (four years ago) link

Anyway we rewatched the Time Stand Still documentary tonight in turn, and that really is underrated; if Beyond gives you The Story, then this did serve as a coda -- but also I thought really brought in fans into the story even more thoroughly, like it almost split the difference between them and the band/crew in terms of the overall arc of the thing. And it really is all the more poignant now -- certainly all the sense of farewells felt final enough all around, but it really was the end, after all.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 January 2020 05:15 (four years ago) link

My guitar teacher plays in Tributosaurus, a local band of session guys and aces that each month picks a band's often hard to replicate studio work and recreates it live with as many members as it takes. (In February, for example, they're doing Earth, Wind & Fire, which will require at least 25 people). Just a couple of weeks ago, my teacher let me know that finally, after literally years of requests, they're doing Rush in March. And now this is happening, of course. Just a weird coincidence. No pressure on the drummer ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link

wow, that sounds awesome

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 00:17 (four years ago) link

that sparse chorus combined with those lyrics is positively terrifying

― papa stank (Neanderthal), samedi 11 janvier 2020 23:11 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I really like the way these passages flow (I think they're the ones you mean):

I clutch the wire fence until my fingers bleed
A wound that will not heal, a heart that cannot feel
Hoping that the horror will recede
Hoping that tomorrow, we'll all be freed
...
I hear the sound of gunfire at the prison gate
Are the liberators here; do I hope or do I fear?
For my father and my brother, it's too late
But I must help my mother stand up straight

There's something satisfying about the way the first, third, and fourth lines all rhyme, while the second line features a contrasting internal rhyme.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 01:40 (four years ago) link

"must help my mother stand up straight" is gutting......that's the one line that always gets me

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:15 (four years ago) link

"i got stoned and listened to "xanadu" last night and it was extremely tight" . oh man so did I; the Exit Stage Left version.

akm, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 04:11 (four years ago) link

xpost Phew, that article is a heck of a read.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 04:18 (four years ago) link

Yeah that article was great

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link

That is a very good article.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link

yeah, really beautiful

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link

On A Farewell to Kings. God, this first side just flows so well. Peart dazzling on "Xanadu".

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:16 (four years ago) link

I'm reading the piece JiC linked but, possibly less beautifully, World Socialist Web Site had sort of an interesting take: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/01/14/pear-j14.html?fbclid=IwAR0UmLk64pvSrYidnhg8Zceo-50lOScxkPOOMHEq659L34LfjnA9FNUgEoo

It did lead me to the 1978 NME interview with Barry Miles, which is a bit O_O. Miles's Nazi comparisons were idiotic for anyone who knows anything about Geddy Lee but, damn, Peart really was a right-winger as a young man, wasn't he? I think you can see him softening as early as "Natural Science".

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link

"Cinderella Man" is a slight track for this album but that riff still gets in my head all the time.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

I stumbled on it the other day, and now I can't find it, but I read something by Neil about how the political discussion with Barry Miles took place at the hotel bar after the main interview with the rest of the band, and Neil assumed it was just a casual off-the-record conversation.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link

And more to the point he was deliberately taking a contrary view, as you do in debating society which is probably the kind of thing he would have been involved in at college. iirc after that they were persona non grata at the NME, due to being "fascists" even though Geddy's parents were concentration camp survivors.

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 01:04 (four years ago) link

Vocalist Geddy Lee has an interesting voice: very high-pitched and not unlike David Surkamp of Pavlov's Dog (as he's no doubt sick of hearing).

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 01:05 (four years ago) link

Surkamp was way more quavery and emo

it's after the end of the world (Matt #2), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link

Malkmus was a fan of Beyond the Lighted Stage and side 1 of Fly by Night: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/stephen-malkmus-on-why-everyone-wants-to-be-a-nineties-kid-242150/

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 01:13 (four years ago) link

but, damn, Peart really was a right-winger as a young man, wasn't he?

he just sounds sophomoric, like someone who's read about three books.

j., Wednesday, 15 January 2020 03:02 (four years ago) link

Malkmus is completely wrong about side 2 of Fly By Night...he must have been thinking of Caress of Steel, which totally lays an egg on the back nine.

henry s, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link

Peart was very up-front in his later years that he was naive as a youth and dove headlong into these Randian ideas that he only had a sliver of knowledge on. I think he identified as a "compassionate Libertarian" in later years and admitted when he got older that he'd dispensed of a lot of it.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link

I think I respect people who espouse those sorts of views when they are young and become more liberal when they get older more than the people who start out more liberal and grow more conservative the older they get. Sort of underscores that those views are ignorant/immature.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 03:27 (four years ago) link

I mean I liked Rand's "Anthem" when I was in high school but I also liked a song by Jimmie's Chicken Shack so I probably should have been killed

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 03:36 (four years ago) link

In that 2015 RS piece:

In the Seventies, Peart rankled the rock press with an affinity for libertarian hero Ayn Rand — he cited her “genius” in liner notes, and critics promptly labeled Rush fascists. Rush’s breakthrough mini-rock opera, 1976’s 2112, is, in part, a riff on Rand’s sci-fi novel Anthem. There’s nothing wildly controversial about 2112‘s pro-individuality message: It’s hard to imagine anyone siding with the bad guys who want to dictate “the words you read/The songs you sing/The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes.” But Rush’s earlier musical take on Rand, 1975’s unimaginatively titled “Anthem,” is more problematic, railing against the kind of generosity that Peart now routinely practices: “Begging hands and bleeding hearts will/Only cry out for more.” And “The Trees,” an allegorical power ballad about maples dooming a forest by agitating for “equal rights” with lofty oaks, was strident enough to convince a young Rand Paul that he had finally found a right-wing rock band.

Peart outgrew his Ayn Rand phase years ago, and now describes himself as a “bleeding-heart libertarian,” citing his trips to Africa as transformative. He claims to stand by the message of “The Trees,” but other than that, his bleeding-heart side seems dominant. Peart just became a U.S. citizen, and he is unlikely to vote for Rand Paul, or any Republican. Peart says that it’s “very obvious” that Paul “hates women and brown people” — and Rush sent a cease-and-desist order to get Paul to stop quoting “The Trees” in his speeches.

“For a person of my sensibility, you’re only left with the Democratic party,” says Peart, who also calls George W. Bush “an instrument of evil.” “If you’re a compassionate person at all. The whole health-care thing — denying mercy to suffering people? What? This is Christian?”

Peart himself is not a Christian, having doubted the existence of God since he was a small child: “I sang the hymns and I read the Bible stories, but I was always perplexed, like, ‘Really? Jesus wants you for a sunbeam? For a what?’ ” In explicitly atheistic songs like “Freewill,” he mocked those who “choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.” And 1991’s “Roll the Bones” posits a chillingly random cosmos, where unlucky children are “born only to suffer”: “We go out in the world and take our chances/Fate is just the weight of circumstances. . . . Why are we here?/Because we’re here/Roll the bones.”

Peart has softened on his unblinkered rationalism in the past couple of decades, especially in the face of unbearable twin tragedies. On August 10th, 1997, Peart’s 19-year-old daughter, Selena, died in a single-car accident on the long drive to her university in Toronto. Just five months later, Selena’s mother — his common-law wife, Jackie — was diagnosed with terminal cancer, quickly succumbing. “Jackie received the news almost gratefully,” Peart wrote in his harrowing memoir of that time, Ghost Rider. Peart told his bandmates to consider him retired, and he embarked on a solitary motorcycle trip across the United States, seeking meaning and solace.

Peart remarried in 2000 and reunited with Rush by 2001. But “Roll the Bones” came to mind more than once in his years of darkness. “God, that song,” he says, over dinner at a Brazilian steakhouse near his home – he drove us there in another, far newer, Aston Martin. “What it came to represent. I mean, ‘Why does it happen?’ When something really shitty happens, of course immediately you look to why. I went all supernatural: ‘Somebody must have put a curse on me, I must have done something really horrible, God must be mad at me.’ I had to sift through all of that shit again looking for meaning.”

But he still prefers the “because it happens” explanation to the one where fate’s horrors are all part of some divine plan. “Do yourself a favor,” he says. “Don’t ever say to me, ‘Everything happens for a reason.’ ‘Cause you’ll be dead.”

Peart suddenly remembers that he was going to repay me the 20 bucks from earlier. I wave him off, saying I’d rather keep the karma. “Yeah, right, ha ha, karma,” he says. “Again, that’s something I used to believe in. Every Christmas I had pages of charities that I contributed to, and I would show my daughter who we’re giving to and why, as a karma thing.” He looks me in the eye. “Until I found out it didn’t work.

“Finding generosity again was a huge gift,” he adds. “Because I had a time where I was like, ‘I hate everybody. Why are you still alive? You should be dead.’ And then I said, ‘If I’m gonna live, I’m not gonna be that guy.’ ”

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 03:37 (four years ago) link

I stumbled on it the other day, and now I can't find it, but I read something by Neil about how the political discussion with Barry Miles took place at the hotel bar after the main interview with the rest of the band, and Neil assumed it was just a casual off-the-record conversation.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 7:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Found it:

https://rushvault.com/2011/08/29/excerpt-may-5-1979-nme-interview-with-neil/

[Neil:] “Hell, what did you expect to meet after reading that? You must have been expecting to be introduced to a bunch of Nazis (the thought had crossed my mind). What Miles said in that interview was that basically we are a bunch of nice-guy Nazis—which of course, is not true.”

You feel you were misrepresented?

“Oh, absolutely. That was a very dishonest article. I was under the impression that Miles and I had gotten on very well. I even gave him my address in New York and told him to stop by any time he was in the neighbourhood. All that so-called political dialogue took place after the interview had finished; we were just chatting, really amenably, I thought, and he twisted it all round. I just feel that it was basically dishonest.”

But surely if you actually said the things that Miles quoted you as saying, and you sincerely believed them to be true, you have no right to be upset or surprised to see them in print.

“Oh, you’re absolutely right. When you’re in this position you have to be prepared to be on trial all the time.

“My argument is that he misrepresented the things that were said; took it all out of context. As far as I was concerned all I was doing was taking up a contrary stance in what I considered to be an essentially philosophical argument—and he made it appear to be political dogma.

“He represented us as fascist fanatics . . . and if that were the case we would have the world’s first Jewish Nazi Bass Player (laugh). It’s ludicrous. We’re not fascists. We’re not racists. I was very upset when I read that article. In America when you call someone a fascist it’s the worst, y’know? It’s the pits. But over here, I now realize, that in certain quarters anyone who isn’t a socialist is, by definition, a fascist. (Laughs).”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link

Ha, that's incredibly scummy if it happened the way Peart said. The James O'Keefe of rock journalism.

It had surprised me when I read it since, in recent things I've seen and read, I mostly got the sense that Peart was saying that even at the time, he was more interested in Randian individualism wrt things like creative freedom and atheism and was actually reacting against the top-down pressure of their record company.

One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact (Sund4r), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 20:36 (four years ago) link

regardless of his stances at the time his lyrics show a significant shift toward the humanistic and empathetic with Signals (along with an abandonment of any fantastical elements, at least until Clockwork Angels). Grace Under Pressure is an anti-war album.

akm, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link

And as I've observed before, in the '80s there are as many references to John Dos Passos as there were to Rand in the '70s.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 21:02 (four years ago) link

The earlier Dos Passos, one hopes, as opposed to:

In the 1960s, he actively campaigned for conservative presidential candidates Barry Goldwater and Richard M. Nixon, and became associated with the group Young Americans for Freedom.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 January 2020 01:35 (four years ago) link

I presume. C. USA Trilogy. Says wiki:

Beyond his writing, Dos Passos is known for his shift in political views. Following his experiences in World War I, he became interested in socialism and pacifism, which also influenced his early work. In 1928, he traveled to the Soviet Union, curious about its social and political experiment, though left with mixed impressions. His experiences during the Spanish Civil War disillusioned him with left-wing politics while also severing his relationship with fellow writer Ernest Hemingway. By the 1950s, his political views had changed dramatically, and he had become more conservative. In the 1960s, he campaigned for presidential candidates Barry Goldwater and Richard M. Nixon.

The stuff Peart references is from the early 1930s. "The Big Money," "The Camera Eye."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 January 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link

yeah he used several things from Dos Passos as song titles.

akm, Thursday, 16 January 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

I think "Power Windows" is peak humanist Rush.

So much poison in power, the principles get left out
So much mind on the matter, the spirit gets forgotten about
Like a righteous inspiration overlooked in haste
Like a teardrop in the ocean, a diamond in the waste
Some world-views are spacious
And some are merely spaced

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link

Also, "Territories," "Manhattan Project," etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link

listened to Clockwork Angels today, they really did go out with their best album in many years

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link

i think it's just straight up my favorite rush album

ciderpress, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link

Clockwork Angels might be the most hard-rocking of all their return to hard rock records. It's got a great heft to it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 January 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link


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