The Cure: Classic or Dud?

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Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

I am naturally using all my spider-senses to procure a mixing desk feed of the show. I'll be absolutely amazed if nobody recorded it, but nothing yet. Ned, you will be the f...oooh, among the first to know when I find it!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, and Perry's brother is their manager.

That I had heard, seems to make sense! They and Depeche should just finally tour together. ;-)

In all seriousness, thanks for any leads you might have!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:33 (twenty years ago) link

Where's a good place to go to get the skinny on the order and track listing of the reissues? I just got Join the Dots and I'm liking it a lot. It's time.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago) link

I've been searching around but as yet no specs seem to be public.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

That was badly worded... is the order the albums are going to be re-released in public knowledge?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

Chronologically. First batch will be the first four albums, through Pornography.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago) link

very good, i'll start with seventeen seconds and pornography!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:31 (twenty years ago) link

I just listened to Seventeen Seconds front to back. I think the South Park kid was wrong and that SS is the best record ever.

Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

The Cure were really good for someone born in 1974. You're 17, and you like 'em just fine, cos they're weird, but they're pop (for those born 4 years later, insert pixies) into this equation...They haven't lost it, cos you're into them during their Disintegration - Wish phase. And most important: they help you to get girls. Well, one maybe. Their lyrics don't mean much, but the guitar remains sorta post-punk...it's enough compared to your U2 loving colleagues.
But then! At the same time, Stone Roses, 808 state, Guy Called Gerald comes along, prettier rave girls arrive, the drugs are better , and you don't give a fuck about the Cure anymore. Until you're 30, and buy a greatest hits Cd, cos that's what 30 year olds do.
Dud, then.

paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago) link

how cynical! are you a record store employee?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago) link

I was born in 1971 ergo they're better for me! Whee!

Actually I think Dan was born in 1974 and he went through all that shift you did except he kept loving the Cure as well. Rah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:24 (twenty years ago) link

I was born in '74 and at age 17 ('92) I played Wish for a friend, Jill, on the plane to Athens (school trip to Italy/Greece). We got it on a few days later.

Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

My.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

ok, was just describing how it was for me. (for me) the cure were a band that you listened to, liked for 3 years, spent some precious time with a girl, then discovered that there was more exciting music/girls/drugs. And if anyone else got all that from the cure, repeatedly, for 25 years...erm, grebt.

paulhw (paulhw), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:41 (twenty years ago) link

and that was about it for the next 3 years so thanks, Cure! xpost

Aaron A., Tuesday, 9 March 2004 04:42 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ta299701/cure.gif

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it is time for me to listen to the cure again

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

It's pretty autumnal music.

Slim Pickens (Slim Pickens), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening to the Cure all summer. Hmmm, that says something.

Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Splintered in Her Head, for one, is brilliant. It's got more menace and dizzy recklessness than almost anyone else, before or since, has managed to get away with on the back of a pop release.

But for many of us born in or around 1974, this issue is fairly cut and dried. For a decade, The Cure made (mostly) great, emotive music to match the self-indulgent drama of teen angst. I too, found romance with a girl because of it. She was into Sylvia Plath 'n shit and thought Robert Smith was really good at painting with words in his lyrics. I felt the same. Even his terrible voice was welcomed as a strike for the blemished and the meek (read 'indie') against mainstream, hard-rock masculinity (what we call 'bogans' in Australia).

Then, as Paul and others have pointed out, we came of legal age in the early 90's and were lucky enough to be doing so right when music got a huge shot in the arm - with much better drugs and, yes, prettier girls. How convenient it was to feel disillusioned with "Wish" and all Cure work since. But my best efforts at objectivity still tell me, as they do to so many others, that The Cure are 80's classics and 90's duds. You can neatly bookend the best of this band up to and including "Disintegration".

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:48 (nineteen years ago) link

And I used to have a crush on Porl.

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:50 (nineteen years ago) link

That's well-written, Stephen, but I completely disagree; dismissing _Wish_ dismisses some extraordinarily strong songs ("Open", "High", "End", "From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea", "Apart", "Trust", "To Wish Impossible Things", "Friday I'm In Love", "This Twilight Garden", "Play", "The Big Hand", "Halo") and The _Wild Mood Swings_ b-sides match up with anything else they've (particularly "Ocean", "Home", "A Pink Dream" and "It Used To Be Me").

I was born in 1973 and I approve this post.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I was born in 1971 and second it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

If you feel I assumed to speak on behalf of y(our) generation, my apologies. I was only thinking in terms of my own social sphere of that era.

Stephen Stockwell (Stephen Stockwell), Friday, 27 August 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

(Also, "Spilt Milk" and "Cut Here"!)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
notice:

Robert Smith guest presents the John Peel Show tonight 11pm - 1am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

you can listen live via the web stream.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

it's on.....

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Forgive me...as I'm relatively new to this forum, I have a hard time with these polar extremes: ('classic'versus'dud').....

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), March 26th, 2001

?!?!?!?!?!?!?

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

You were young, innocent and sweet-faced once yourself. And then you started impersonating Sean Connery at 5 am.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

so what's he playing? (slow connection won't allow me to tune in...)

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:48 (nineteen years ago) link

A predictable selection: smashing pumpkins, joy division, cranes, david bowie, alex harvey, mogwai, tricky, placebo etc

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

OH HOW HORRIBLE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

now rolling stones: paint it black - it's like classic rawk hour

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I assume he'll play Interpol at some point, which is unfortunate but oh well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Thiny Lizzy and now The Clash

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

John Peel Tracklistings - 21/10/04

Smashing Pumpkins - '1979' - (Hut)
The Cure - 'Desperate Journalist' - (Fiction)
Joy Division - 'She's Lost Control' - (Strange Fruit)
The Pixies - 'Monkey's Gone To Heaven' - (4AD)
Led Zeppelin - 'Communication Breakdown' - (Atlantic)
The Deftones - 'Minerva' - (Sire)
Cranes - 'Jewel' - (Wergo)
Nirvana - 'Heart Shaped Box' - (Geffen)
David Bowie - 'Saturday Night' - (EMI)
The Sensational Alex Harvey Band - 'Swampsnake' - (Mercury)
Mogwai - 'Killing All The Flies' - (PIAS)
Tricky - 'Moody' - (Epitaph)
Placebo - 'The Bitter End' - (Virgin)
The Beatles - 'Eleanor Rigby' - (Apple)
The Rolling Stones - 'Paint it Black' - (Decca)
Janis Ian - 'Tea and Sympathy' - (Sony)
Thin Lizzy - 'Don't Believe A Word' - (Warners)
The Clash - 'White Riot' - (Sony)
AFI - 'Girl's Not Grey' - (Nitro)
Blink 182 - 'Down' - (Island)
The Cocteau Twins - 'Lorelei' - (4AD)
My Bloody Valentine - 'I Only Said' - (Sony)
Sneaker Pimps - 'Low Place Like Home' - (One Little Indian)
Tom Waits - 'Looking for The Heart of Saturday Night' - (Anti/Epitaph)
Supergrass - 'Alright' - (Parlophone)
The Cooper Temple Clause - 'New Toys' - (RCA)
Scarling - 'Crispin Glover' - (Sympathy for the Record Industry)
Interpol - 'NYC' - (Matador)
Jimi Hendrix - 'Are You Experienced' - (MCA)

Vic Funk, Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

my marks of 10 for john peel guest slots:

Underworld 9.5/10 [they mixed things up, had some special mixes, plus had the buzz of the chat room, and added humour]
Siouxsie Sioux 7/10 [Siouxsie came across as a broadcasting professional, in control, measured - however i expected some more fun like when she was on 6 Music roundtable]
Robert Smith 6.0/10 [too many predictable choices, reminds me of guest slot hour on Xfm]

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the goth in me enjoyed (is enjoying - i'm up to the cranes at the mo) that but i think he toned it down for the audience (maybe not realising that peel's audience is used to it). my mother would appreciate the janis ian 8)

siouxie had a patch where she was talking under something rather than over it. but nice enough. didn't like her question answering session.

underworld sounded a lot like the 3am comedy strand at times (which is itself worth a listen)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 22 October 2004 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

He played "Desperate Journalist", my respect for the modern Smith has grown.

Sansai, Friday, 22 October 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone else seen the "Taking Off" and "alt.end" videos? (Note: don't visit the site of the guy(s) who directed it as it gives you no navigation help and their webmaster gets irrationally touchy if you email him and point this out.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anybody killed themselves while listening to Alice?

Edward Bax, Friday, 22 October 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

D'oh! Wrong thread!

Edward Bax, Friday, 22 October 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Forgive me...as I'm relatively new to this forum, I have a hard time with these polar extremes: ('classic'versus'dud').....
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), March 26th, 2001

?!?!?!?!?!?!?

-- manthony m1cc1o (anthonyisrigh...), October 21st, 2004.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah well, at least Bob's got decent taste

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i sang "why can't i be you?" at karaoke last night!

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 October 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Gimme a break, it was 2001.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 22 October 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I enjoyed the Cure, on LATER!

the curefox, Saturday, 23 October 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Three Imaginary Boys deluxe edition!!!

** The new release dates are 29th November 2004 worldwide and December 7th in the U.S. on Rhino **

The Cure's debut album from 1979 has now been elevated to the Deluxe Edition series.

Compiled by Robert Smith and Digitally Remastered by Chris Blair at Abbey Road, this 2 CD set is a must for all Cure fans as it contains 6 Previously Unreleased songs and 15 tracks on CD for the very first time! The 16-page booklet has sleevenotes by Johnny Black plus rare and previously
unseen photographs from Robert Smith's personal archive.

DISC 1 - Three Imaginary Boys

01. 10:15 SATURDAY NIGHT
02. ACCURACY
03. GRINDING HALT
04. ANOTHER DAY
05. OBJECT
06. SUBWAY SONG
07. FOXY LADY
08. MEATHOOK
09. SO WHAT
10. FIRE IN CAIRO
11. IT'S NOT YOU
12. THREE IMAGINARY BOYS
13. THE WEEDY BURTON

DISC 2 - Rarities 1977-1979

01. I Want To Be Old (sav studio demo 10/77 - previously unreleased song) (@)
02. I'm Cold (sav studio demo 11/77 - previously unreleased version) (@)
03. Heroin Face (live in the rocket, crawley 12/77 - previously available on 'curiosity' mc 1984) (@)
04. I Just Need Myself (psl studio demo 1/78 - previously unreleased song) (@)
05. 10:15 Saturday Night (rs home demo 2/78 - previously unreleased version)
06. The Cocktail Party (group home demo 3/78 - previously unreleased song) (@)
07. Grinding Halt (group home demo 4/78 - previously unreleased version) (@)
08. Boys Don't Cry (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously available on 'curiosity' mc 1984)
09. It's Not You (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously unreleased version)
10. 10:15 Saturday Night (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously unreleased version)
11. Fire In Cairo (chestnut studio demo 5/78 - previously unreleased version)
12. Winter ('tib' studio out-take 10/78 - previously unreleased song)
13. Faded Smiles (aka I Don't Know) ('tib' studio out-take 10/78 - previously unreleased song)
14. Play With Me ('tib' studio out-take 10/78 - previously unreleased song)
15. World War (on early copies of 'boys don't cry' album 1979)
16. Boys Don't Cry (single - also on 'boys don't cry' album 1979)
17. Jumping Someone Else's Train (single - also on 'boys don't cry' album 1979)
18. Subway Song (live in nottingham 10/79 - previously available on 'curiosity' mc 1984)
19. Accuracy (live in nottingham 10/79 - previously unreleased version)
20. 10:15 Saturday Night (live in nottingham 10/79 - previously unreleased version)

the bastards are gonna make me buy their whole fucking back catalogue again aren't they? gah...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

No 'Killing An Arab'? Seems a bit odd to leave this off the additional tracks they've pulled in from 'Boys Don't Cry' - or are they planning on re-releasing BDC too?

No 'Plastic Passion' either, come to think of it :-/

Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 19 November 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure they'll be reduxing BDC as well - best not to dick with the original tracklistings I suppose. Mind you, a "proper" Japanese Whispers (ie one with all the b-sides instread of just a few) might be a good thing.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 19 November 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link


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