In Damnation of...Horses by Patti Smith

Yeah, "You Can't Stop The Bum Rush" rules. I'd never established a connection between 'em and Patti Smith, but I guess "Horses" shares that chaotic throw-everything-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks mood that that album has.

What? Oh, Cohen. He's great too. "The Essential" rocked my Spring of 2003.

Afraid not. Should I?

I can't fucking handle it. Do me a favor, flush your head down the shitter for making such an ignorant, sexist statement.

Dream on, Wrongboy.

Hey David A.....calm thyself. I'm not organizing a goon squad that's going to go around house-to-house, confiscating copies of Horses, just so we can start a big bonfire, Kilroy Was Here-stylee. I just think the album in question (Patti's, not Styx's) is an undeservedly lionized bit of pompous schlock.

so i'm asking, once again, why some people seem to want to go out of their way to malign Patti Smith ? this isn't the first thread to set out to dismiss not only this record but Smith herself.

why is it so important to dump on this relatively concise artist (she hasn't made many records and has admitted that it would be worse to make too many bad ones than vice versa) ?

(oh, ok, most people on this thread seem to like her, but that "Loathsome New Yorkers" thread, that just made the new yorkers that talked up the original tabloid week-end "feature" and it's readers appear to be the loathsome ones)

I don't think I'd have worded it quite that way, but fair enough.... because of the disparity between the quality of her work and the praise said work enjoys.

Actually, I think all those artists were pretty clearly in Patti's lineage, and not just because they're women. But if it makes you any happier, *Horses* is *also* catchier, funnier, sexier, more rocking, and more memorable than any album that Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Radiohead, U2, REM, Pink Floyd, the Grateful Dead, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Pavement, Roy Orbison, Bob Marley, Tupac, Boogie Down Productions, Tribe Called Qwest, the Misfits, Iron Maiden, the Smiths, or Sisters of Fucking Mercy ever made. Okay?

11. If you could put together the worst concert bill possible, what 5 bands would you put on it?
1.Jet
2.Journey
3.Patti Smith
4.Wham!
5.Glass Tiger

I can't help noticing you negelected to mention Kix, Chuck!

And I never even heard a Tribe Called Qwest SONG I liked much, though honestly I haven't actually listed to *Low End Theory* in centuries. They always struck me as really prissy or contained or reserved or something. Is the debut the one I reviewed in Rolling Stone?

Ha, yeah, you couldn't have picked a better example if you'd wanted to wound me in my heart if you'd tried! That record had a massive impact on me. I'd even go as far as to utter (quietly) that cliché about lives being saved, etc. So, no wonder you picked up on my lack of calmness, heh. Subjective taste-driven outrage aside, the only part I really mean is the lionization thing -- it's unfair to blame the album for it, but life's unfair I suppose...

Anyway, in my world of one, it's unthinkable to like the Sisters but hate Horses, ha!

I see no correllation sound-wise between the Sisters of Mercy and Patti Smith (although Andrew does cite Horses on his list of favorite records on the official site. Then again, Andrew also cites a Stone Temple Pilots record, so go know.)

Because it's not as metal as *Radio Ethiopia*, probably. (But it's still better, and it still rocked harder. "Gloria" can do that to a record, you know? Even go ask Santa Esmeralda. Or Laura Branigan!)

Nah, me neither (although you might arguably find more "gothic" in Easter). It was a failed joke at my own expense -- ie/ I like these two things, so how can anyone not?

(Interesting that AE cites Horses, though. I didn't know that.)

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS80311061622542118&sql=Aosj20r6at48x

Sorry, Alex!

(If the link doesn't work, just look up *The Best of Branigan* on AMG.)

Hmmmm. Hadn't heard that one. I always thought it was a rip-off of "More than a Feelin'".

(And Michael Freedberg says all the dark goth metal bands I love rip them off, too.)

Who is Michael Freedburg that he should be making such allegations?

I used to like them okay myself; I just thought Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were more fun.

Who got the notion that I have a Sisters of Mercy tatoo on my arm? I like them, but I wouldn't take a bullet for them or anything. They certainly made more than their share of dubious records. I like everything up to and including First and Last and Always. After that, s'alright, but the magic had largely dissipated for me. Floodland is pretty good. Apart from "Ribbons", most of Vision Thing is a phone-in.

Yeah, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry were cool (though not sure I'd categorically refer to them as "fun").

Well......cuter than Patti Smith, certainly.

Andrew Eldritch's favorite records....

http://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/gen/wwlike/listning/listning.htm#traxae

Wait, it's Q-Tip's fault my phone bill's so fucking high?

Best disco critic ever (tied with Vince Alleti, actually). Still writes for the Boston Phoenix. Likes Toby Keith's new album a LOT.

Hmmmm...well, there's no arguin' with him then.