Is this anti-semitism?

What is this 93% figure anyway?

Oh ok I was going off the number quoted in that article sym posted

87% is what I saw quoted today, not exactly a cause for celebration however!

The 93 was from the JC article link I bumped the thread with

Not sure how much this is worth as it's pretty common to extrapolate from sample sets of this size but the surveys the Jewish Chronicle base their reports on are carried out by telephone (thus to older generations?) to a few hundred people.

interesting article but not sure it proves what you think - only that labour problems with the jewish community predate corbyn which is what you'd expect since one of the big problems with corbyn-led labour isn't corbyn himself

ya JVL should get punted asap

93% not voting Labour?

yes

Don't know the final percentages for Miliband tbh also as has been pointed out already, I think, the Jewish community in the UK hasn't been very left wing for a long time.

yeah it's frustrating to me that both Ed Milliband and Michael Howard faced anti-semitic attacks and nobody in the UK seemed to give a shit

how many times were the words "anti-semitism" on the front of the daily mail pre-Corbyn and post-Corbyn

The Labour Party now being accused of being anti-Hindu by some Representative Of The Entire UK Hindu Community btw.

No apology to the Jewish community from Jeremy Corbyn, as he is repeatedly challenged over claims of anti-Semitism within the Labour Party

[Tap to expand] https://t.co/ewcGeo7yOY pic.twitter.com/L1z52YZ9eu

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) November 26, 2019

fuck the bbc

running an interview as a gotcha, too damn right he didn't play their game

he could have apologised for any abuse anyone has suffered from labour members but that feeds the narrative as well, he did exactly the right thing

Mordy I hope you watch that and clock the game that's being played here

Now he'll lose the Jewish vote!

mordy, what do you think of the column Corbyn wrote in 2018? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/03/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-party

here's forward's defense of the British irony comments (he was kidding!): https://forward.com/opinion/409563/the-missing-information-that-exonerates-jeremy-corbyn/

Mordy I hope you watch that and clock the game that's being played here

i hear your point but what would an apology cost him?

as has been pointed out already, I think, the Jewish community in the UK hasn't been very left wing for a long time.

my Twitter feed suggests oth-- ah, never mind!

i guess the antisemitic vote mostly. "i apologize for the ways labour under my watch has failed to take accusations of antisemitism seriously enough" would not immediately become "corbyn admits to hating jews"

mordy, what do you think of the column Corbyn wrote in 2018? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/03/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-party

i've read it before i hope you don't mind if i don't read it again (just have a lot on my plate and posting to this thread in between generating paperwork) - i think it's pretty troubling all the antisemitic friends and acquaintances he has that he has defended and protected which makes his "they do not speak for me" somewhat hollow in my eyes.

Those JC polls are tiny! Also, their political editor is a former colleague of mine who was engaged in very dodgy dealings while freelancing, which I witnessed, and he turned that to his advantage when he joined the tabloid press at the end of the ‘90s and suddenly there were all these exclusives about celebrity addicts he’d known in the years leading up to his change in jobs. In 2015 he was arrested for suspected phone hacking and was very lucky not to be charged, and left his tabloid job under a massive cloud. I cannot think of a person in the media I trust less, and it amuses me greatly to see he offers private clients ‘reputation management’.

He has apologised before for various incidents - why do it again when that would just feed the BBC's narrative? It's a lose-lose but hopefully the line of attack is being seen as increasingly desperate and weirdly blind to the bigotries of the right

I don't know much about this but the allegations in the wikipedia article seem awfully weak to me. none of them even come close to the Trump campaign Star of David tweet situation IMO, or Omar's coded speech (for which she's apologized but I find her apologies fairly weak as well).

The reason there are a few paragraphs of "allegations" in the wikipedia article is precisely that there has been a years long smear campaign against Corbyn and the left, and those "allegations" are simply the accumulated smears. You can't just point to a wikpedia article and say "There's a lot in here so it must be meaningful."

goes from whitewashing the kashmir lockdown to quoting the niemoller poem, the most cynical shit i've seen in while

LATEST: The Hindu Council has now written to the Chief Rabbi to express their support and to accuse the Labour Party of also becoming anti-Hindu. Major interventions in this election today from pretty much every major faith in Britain. Astonishing. pic.twitter.com/J4fRtvIOLw

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) November 26, 2019

https://t.co/JkRwUevQIrhttps://t.co/lzf3ujhmemhttps://t.co/wQjF0tYzZD

Here are three separate times he apologised last year alone

— 🌹 ellun 🌹 (@ellnlvll) November 26, 2019

so why refuse to do it in that interview lj posted? just reflexive oppositional "i won't do what you tell me"?

How many times do you want someone to apologize? Does he have to apologize in every interview he gives?

BBC spin clearly working.

See we are still not taking Roma seriously so again.

anti-roma pogroms and ghettoisation in their actual manifesto but tories will be continuing to make holocaust jokes directed at the labour party

— tony blair electric chair (@internetratbag) November 26, 2019

i don't care if he apologizes or not but i'd think he'd do better if when the BBC guy was like "so will you apologize," he said, "I've actually apologized multiple times and have no problem doing so again," or something along those lines. He does seem a bit "I won't give in to what you want" there which may be understandable but also probably plays better to his base (yeah! show up that wicked BBC!).

that’s not my twitter btw I just stole the dn (xp)

I agree w/mordy re the apology. andrew neil is a fud but the story was going to be perpetuated either way - better to do the right thing. the party clearly still has a long way to go and we need to be seen to be listening to the jewish community.

And hey presto another Con politician grandstanding against a respected historian of Nazi Germany. Playing political football on this like no problem

History teaches us where a failure to stand up to anti-semitism leads - which is why it is all the sadder to see this historian of the twentieth century fail to heed its lessons https://t.co/uglhrWu6bA

— Michael Gove (@michaelgove) November 25, 2019

Can't win - apologise on demand and it supports the implication that he hadn't previously / apologise and mention having done so before and it can easily look petty and as if he's making it about himself. xp

I don't know much about this but the allegations in the wikipedia article seem awfully weak to me. none of them even come close to the Trump campaign Star of David tweet situation IMO, or Omar's coded speech (for which she's apologized but I find her apologies fairly weak as well).

― akm, Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:41 PM (twenty-three minutes ago)

i agree w/ this. the evidence for corbyn's "anti-semitism" seems astonishingly weak to me.

I agree w/mordy re the apology. andrew neil is a fud but the story was going to be perpetuated either way - better to do the right thing. the party clearly still has a long way to go and we need to be seen to be listening to the jewish community.

― tony blair electric chair (||||||||), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

OTM actually. No need to make a big song and dance about it. Just quick and straightforward.

goes from whitewashing the kashmir lockdown to quoting the niemoller poem, the most cynical shit i've seen in while

"Whitewashing" is an understatement. I can hardly believe how angry this letter made me.

i've read it before i hope you don't mind if i don't read it again (just have a lot on my plate and posting to this thread in between generating paperwork) - i think it's pretty troubling all the antisemitic friends and acquaintances he has that he has defended and protected which makes his "they do not speak for me" somewhat hollow in my eyes.

― Mordy, Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:23 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

right, but are there other anti-semites publishing long detailed denunciations of anti-semitism? are there any politicians in any of our countries writing these kinds of pieces? is there anything in corbyn's article you actually disagree with (when you have a moment)?

this might be a slight exaggeration, but the PM of Israel has defended just as many antisemites as corbyn ever has

article on all of the measures that the party have undertaken:
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/opinion-jennie-formby-chief-rabbi-can-criticise-but-heres-why-hes-wrong/

[Shomrim chairman, Rabbi Herschel] Gluck confirmed that Corbyn “phoned to find out what happened and to express his shock and empathy with the community”.

He added: “We deeply appreciate his concern. He sounded extremely genuine. He was the only party leader who called." https://t.co/Rp90BYTQVn

— Dimi Reider (@reider) December 2, 2019

Ok. I’ve written about this before but after the intervention yesterday of the chief Rabbi, and a few weeks ago of my great aunt’s Rabbi, I feel compelled to write again. Antisemitism and the Labour Party. A (long) thread.

— Lily Einhorn (@madewithstring) November 26, 2019

Independently even of the political content, I loved introduction of that thread as a very concise Jewish family story.

It's estimated that the Gates foundation has saved 6 million lives, and this was a few years back. They've basically undone the holocaust. Yeah, I'm ok with calling him a hero, Scott.

— Podracer (@StonksOnHigh) November 7, 2019

that's not antisemitism, it's just dumb as shit

as if figure-skating wasn't already ludicrous enough
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/A-Holocaust-costume-It-s-just-figure-skating-s-14880663.php