2008 Primaries Thread

woo for tx mattering.

lets not fuck this up, people.

though tbh i'm sure we will, the clintons have ties in tx going back a long way.

What about Waco? Does that have any effect on TX Dems?

Branch-Davidian mainly has currency with the kinds of people that are gonna vote for Ron Paul anyway.

In this town at least.

a not-small percentage of Texans think the B-Ds should have been torched on purpose

In Waco there's more bitter resentment towards the B-Ds (for tainting the reputation of their Christian town with the whiff of cultism) there is towards the Dems for any wrongdoing.

HRC makes last minute decision to fly to Seattle for an "announcement" at Pier 30. Some are guessing that Gov. Gregoire is going to publicly endorse her there. I'm guessing they're right.

In response, Obama is having a free-to-the-public "Stand For Change" rally at Key Arena at 11am on Friday.

I think I'm going to bring my camera to work the rest of the week.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio)

^ loudest member of "janet reno is a murderer" squad

That is, HRC is flying to Seattle tomorrow/Thursday (She wasn't scheduled to be in Seattle at all. Just Bill)

Tell Bill hi when you meet up over beer and brautwurst.

Hillary/Godzilla '08

I'm so going to turn Bill onto the Mariachi Mac N Cheese at Beecher's.

OBAMAMECHAMOTHRA!

http://electron.mit.edu/~gsteele/poutine/new_photos/seattle_cheese_curds.jpg

http://www.couchscout.com/_borders/mac_cheese_lg.jpg

http://cheesebyhand.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/beechers_counter.jpg

Bill Clinton's very special press conference venue on Friday.

counter girl is fat in the good way. I want someone to eat cheese with.

actually I dunno her face looks a little melty

Some delegate estimates: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/your_election_central_delegate.php

fluffy bear puttin us back on track

I'm not advocating anything specific - and Obama's comments were clearly calculated for political effect - but at the same time I agree with him in principle that we shouldn't take any options off the table, particularly in regards to an illegitimate regime that has no real control over much of its territory.

Well said. Touché

The only thing I'd like to hear a President take off of the table (okay, maybe not the only thing) is torture, and not for sentimental reasons alone, even little kids worldwide understand that the swine who resort to torture, are admitting to their impotence in suasion and are thus unsympathetic.

Neat point made here, that last night both Obama and Clinton got 2x the votes that McCain did.

well that makes me feel pretty

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-chang/why-latinos-and-asian-ame_b_85359.html

looks like jeff chang sez 'big hoos otm'

I can't help see this whole thing between Obama and Clinton as a spectator MMORPG type thing, with Obama and Clinton being the two left for the entire Penny Arcade expo to watch.

This thread is now longer than the one that spawned it.

And thus, if I'm not mistaken, the longest thread in ILX history.

Pretty sure top three are:

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I think a Chicago thread from a couple years ago might be 4th. Dave Matthews only has about 2500.

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didnt you guys let a chicago thread go past 10,000 once?

also thanks for the link on Barack's Metapolitics.

I think it made some solid arguments for a real difference between Hillary and Obama, despite how nearly identical they are on policy. I think it also kind of legitimized some of the "hope," "change," "yes we can" stuff that often gets criticized as fluff.

Probably a silly question: If Obama wins every state in February does he build up enough momentum to take Ohio and Texas?

I'm guessing this is the first time in many years the superdelegate count has really mattered (in the sense that they don't really have to make up their mind until the summer and, if the gap is only a few hundred either way in pledged delegates, the super-ds determine the outcome). But d'you think those who've yet to publicly endorse (about 400 or so, I think) will just fall in line behind anyone who has a strong lead in pledged? So the remaining primaries essentially force the ditherers to go with the front-runner?

It may be so close that that isn't even a likely scenario.

my mom is the very definition of gwb loving evangelical and she voted for huckabee. (her employer is a dobson-esque publication).

my dad is an evangelical minister and despite voting clinton in 96 has always voted for the GOP. (he has never preached politics from the pulpit and is pretty guarded about it in convos with members of his congregation).

but he's pretty repulsed by the GOP stance on immigration and is pro-amnesty/reform so he voted mccain. i think he could be persuaded to vote for obama in the general because barack's "social justice" rhetoric might outweigh the pro-life thing this time around. also the war thing.

sorry should read:

and despite except for voting clinton in 96 has always voted for the GOP

I was a bit surprised that Hillary had a spare $5 million in her piggybank to throw at her campaign. But I guess Bill has earned a mountain of money in the past 8 years.

okay, so now the obama site now says they've raised $7mil since the polls closed toesday night. wau.

clinton camp and the one-debate-a-week challenge:
In Public Letter, Hillary Camp Challenges Obama To Debate On Fox News

Patti Doyle, Hillary's campaign manager:

...I was disappointed to see that Senator Obama rejected the idea of having more debates given the fact that he and Senator Clinton have had only a single one-on-one debate. I think we can do better and so does Hillary.

Senator Clinton believes voters should have more than one opportunity to see the candidates discuss the issues and has accepted five debates between now and March 4th from CNN, MSNBC, WJLA, ABC and Fox News.

To that end, we hope Senator Obama will join Senator Clinton for a debate a week beginning this weekend. I'm sure we can find a suitable place to meet on the campaign trail. There's too much at stake and the issues facing the country are too grave to deny voters the opportunity to see the candidates up close.

As Senator Obama has said, "In an era when Americans are rightfully skeptical about the quality of our politics, let us set an example they can be proud of and give them the kind of campaign they deserve." We couldn't agree more.

from what i've heard obama laughed off the idea of more debates, but i'm curious what will happen

"we want to debate and we want to debate FIVE TIMES."

he'll do one or two but no way is he going to allow clinton all that free tv time

The bottom line for me is the Supreme Court

How does it feel to be a quadrennial robot who enables the Dems to nominate the most spineless candidate every fucking time due to this bare-minimum criterion?

I would also point out that the current most-liberal justice was appointed by Gerald Ford.

My mom called me to say that she cried while voting for Hills yesterday.

I bet daria doesn't have a problem w/ gender-based voting when it comes from the reverse angle.

I wish I were a quadrennial robot, that sounds awesome.

http://www.numtopia.com/janice/blog/img/aibo.gif

I wish I were a quadrennial robot, that sounds awesome.

Me too! It sounds cylon-esque.

ohh hil raised $4 million since tuesday's polls closed

Yah, we need more worker's rights, enviromental law, etc. respecting justices like Roberts and Alito.

Just because you're sick of hearing this knee-jerk justification for voting Democratic doesn't make the issue go away. It's real. Conservative presidents will nominate conservative justices, and you should understand that this matters, no matter how much it irritates you. And this isn't just about Roe v Wade.

And it's not just about the Supreme court, but federal courts as well. Bush managed to do a lot of long term damage here.

Conservative presidents will nominate conservative justices,

You really don't know what you're talking about. Besides Ford:Stevens, you might wanna look up Earl Warren.

Also, Dem voters wouldn't have to be such sheeple if they raised a full-throated cry when their senators vote to confirm Alito and Roberts.

Morbs' greatest fear:

http://www.mikedidonato.com/wp-content/Robo4.PNG

dr morbius, you may want to look up alito, scalia and roberts

i mean what the fuck, gerald ford wasnt exactly popular w/ the republicans for any number of things, including his judicial nominee

Ugh, who would want to watch five more debates?

morbs, quit shitting on people's motivation to vote. you can disagree and argue you point but wtf do you get out of expressing so much contempt?