that's the impression that i get
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 21 July 2008 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link
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Brits use the word "indie" now like Americans used the word "alternative" in the 90s, right?
Not entirely. Americans in the 90s would define Oasis as alternative while there is no way that any Brit (or European for that matter) would define Dave Matthews Band or Hootie & The Blowfish as indie.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
DMB and "Hootie" weren't described as alternative here. That was for shit like the Gin Blossoms and whatever 3rd wave Gin Blossoms band came out.
― burt_stanton, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
This usage of "indie" in the UK dates back to the early 90s if not earlier, it is kind of an equivalent to the US "alternative" - not a new thing at all.
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
The indie lists did actually start in the early 80s didn't they? Or possibly even earlier?
Anyway, "indie" as a term for a musical genre was used for stuff like The Smiths as early as 1983-84. That is way before Britpop.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not an exact parallel Whiney, but it works as a basic rule of thumb yeah
― DJ Mencap, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
The "Indie Chart" started in 1980, but it did actually mean independent label music then. I don't know exactly when the word "indie" became a musical genre, tbh.
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Those acts were probably slightly more leftfield than the Britpoppers though. In a way the original poster is right that Britpop was a form of pop rather than indie. But the bands grew out of the indie scene and were also musically influenced by indie. Sometimes even very indie, but the addition of production values and catchy choruses meant that it probably wasn't right to describe them as indie anymore.
However, if Oasis and Blur were indie in the mid 90s, then The Kooks and Coldplay are today too.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link
To me the notion of indie doesn't fit with the idea of genre as a sonic signifier very well at all. It's more an aesthetic politics, really, which means it's bound up in certain kinds of musical practices, institutions, discourses, etc., which better captures the broad spectrum of sounds that could all be classed as "indie." To say it's about the music somewhat ironically misses the point.
― tvdisko, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
No shit.
― Colonel Poo, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
When I was in England I saw some TV channel with like the Top 100 indie videos evar! And the top 10 was like 8 Oasis videos and Blur.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
indie punk, baeleric funk, even if it's old junk....
― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 21 July 2008 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
But most contemporary genres are defined to a similar degree by their aesthetic politics. I'm thinking specifically of rap, metal and punk, especially WRT the maze of subgenres each inspires, but I suspect the same is true of every musical genre that isn't simply "pop". Like indie, these all have recognizable sonic signifiers, but we can't make any real sense of them without taking into account the "musical practices, institutions, discourses, etc." on which they're predicated.
So, what you've said doesn't seem to mean anything. We can examine indie as a sonic pallette or as an "aesthetic politics" -- just as we can with any musical genre.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link
why did i just waste 3 minutes reading this
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Welcome to the LBZC, son
― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Wednesday, 23 July 2008 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Does "indie" mean anything these days? If so, what?
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link
a demographic
― Evan, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
dead as a doornail. needs to re-invent itself desperately. punk could be considered more indie than indie is in 2015
― hackshaw, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
http://www.picgifs.com/clip-art/entertainment/bingo/clip-art-bingo-442587.jpg
― daed bod (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
it's weird; it seems like 'indie' has become another word for 'rock'
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link
it's rock without the rock
― swae lee is the sremmurd for rae dad (crüt), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link
gonna indie round the clock tonite
― don't ask me why i posted this (electricsound), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
The Unbearable Whiteness of Indie
― Robert Earl Hughes (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 26 March 2015 02:06 (nine years ago) link
Indie dream died for me once I realized there was always going to be non musicians making money off and controlling music outout at any scale from your major label down to the town scenesters with all the expendable cash.
Basically it is all a giant popularity contest anyways so just do whatever you want
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 March 2015 02:24 (nine years ago) link
things i'm tired of:
the dream pop stuff with the beats
the revival of every well-known genre from 20 years ago
not playing your instrument
― hackshaw, Thursday, 26 March 2015 06:14 (nine years ago) link
death to epiphany core
― flappy bird (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 26 March 2015 06:37 (nine years ago) link
Epiphone core?
― the_ecuador_three, Thursday, 26 March 2015 10:53 (nine years ago) link
Indiestars, the broke-ass rockstars.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 March 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
I read this, and felt trolled
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 March 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
Jesus Christ, that article
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Thursday, 26 March 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/emma-jackson/sexism-in-music_b_8330178.html
― Cosmic Slop, Monday, 19 October 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link