Tzadik: Search & Destroy

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zeena parkins' new CD necklace is my favorite zeena on tzadik, why'd she wait till now to write string quartets

milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I got that too, and also like it -- though my fave tzadik is Ruins Symphonica, which is so not surprising that by posting I am opening a little black hole right....here

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

*Genius Grant*

There really is a Jewish conspiracy!

(joke)

But Zorn's sax playing really does suck.

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Zorn is a *great* sax player and can run circles around any of the nu-jazz morons out there. Get one Masada record.

Lynco (lync0), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course he's better than any nu-jazzer. But I still find his tone to be too strident. But that's just me, I guess.

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think he won the award primarily for his sax playing anyway. I don't like his sax playing either, but what do I know being a "what's with the constant cymbal tapping" douche bag.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The cymbal tapping, yes. I forgot about that.

I also hate the pompous uniform design of Tzadik releases. Who's the *genius* that thinks it's "avant-garde" to place light-coloured font over metallic paper on the 'New Japan' series, thus rendering the entire thing completely unreadable?

Oh, and 'New Japan' is a silly, lazy moniker as well.

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the pompous uniformity of Tzadik design. I still think the CDs look really sharp. As for his series, I just hope he has a little bit of a sense of humor about some of the names he assigns them.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i admit i haven't given masada a listen. got tired of hearing his patented squawk on every release. despite all that, i still think painkiller was pretty great live.

señor citizen (eman), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

He's a good player who falls into shtick and overused licks way too often. Electric Masada allows him to really run some of those licks into the ground. Search: the Sonny Clark Memorial Quartet album, the Masada studio albums, and the Classic Guide to Strategy records.

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/BT/colbertzorn.mpg

Ivan G (Ivan), Friday, 22 September 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
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This is excellent. Sometimes it's jazz in a fairly straight ahead way, sometimes it's more modern classical (usually with a downton NYC sort of feel), with melodies and harmonies that often seem like they would work in pop. I hear things that remind me of Steve Reich, Joan LaBarbara (although mostly her vocal technique is pretty standard), maybe Bjork? Even Shiina Ringo, though I don't want to say it, because I'm sure any resemblance there is strictly coincidental. There's also someone else (I think) doing Persian classical vocals in a couple places. I certainly find it more interesting than most of Zorn's own Jewish tinge recordings. The biggest drawback (for me) might turn out to be that it tends to be a very theatrical sort of recording, which I find tends to wear out more quickly for me. The lyrics are all from the Songs of Songs (sung in the Hebrew) and I think the theatrical tone of the music comess out of the way the original text is written as a dialogue. But it's very good and after a few listens, I'm still feeling I need to listen several times to get a better handle on it, which isn't to say it's inaccessible, just fairly rich.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(Definitely one of my favorite releases this year.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

People who like strong adventurous female vocalists who also wrote some/all of their own material should be all over this CD.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, it looks like "Persian trope" is a specifically Jewish Persian style of singing. I'm not sure it makes sense for me to talk about "Persian classical" vocals then, but it is definitely recognizably Persian. Anyway, it's just a minor part of the whole recording.

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

search: jacques coursil, minimal brass. fucking astounding.

not destroy so much as, well, just kinda uneven: the two milford graves solo records. both have their moments, particularly "transcendence" on grand unification. but too much of the material sounds unfocused, nowhere near the impact of his esp-disk with sunny morgan.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...
Okay, as likely as not this is just a reflection of all the music I don't listen to or don't even know about, but sometimes it seems like Tzadik is especially remarkable in its efforts to keep alive chamber music for strings along European classical lines, but bringing it into the present. Keeping it alive by finding an audience for it?

This Ned Rothenberg CD, Inner Diaspora is getting better with each listen, I think. I feel a sense of continuity between this and, oh, stuff like Steve Reich, but a lot of other downtown NYC music, that I was listening to a lot a long time ago.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 7 May 2007 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Classical + contemporary + a little bit new AND accessible seems like no small feat, and I keep hearing new Tzadik releases which can be described that way. (Granted, Zorn still releases a lot of more challenging work, not any different from hardcore academic modern classical music.)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 7 May 2007 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Zorn, purveyor of middle-brow light classical music of the likes of me?

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 7 May 2007 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

So are any of these Radical Jewish Culture series discs I keep seeing any good?

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 04:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes. Let me just add that I love Tzadik. Whenever I don't have anything to listen to I look up what's at Tzadik. The tribute to Marc Bolan is one of the best tribute albums I've ever heard.

filthy dylan, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Erik Friedlander's installment of the Book of Angels is on my to-buy list.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 12 November 2007 02:08 (sixteen years ago) link

the New Klezmer Trio discs are great...

m0stlyClean, Monday, 12 November 2007 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

this thread is too large to read all, but...

- George Lewis- Voyager
- Barbez- Force of Light (saw them last week and was blown away)
- any of the Painkiller records
- Yosunao Tone- Songs for Wounded CD
- any of the Zeena Parkins records

and there are so many more good ones that i can't think of off the top of my head.

the table is the table, Monday, 12 November 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Otomo Yoshihide New Jazz Ensemble Dreams is a good one - kind of noir-lounge jazz with plaintive vocals by Japanese singers Phew and Togawa Jun - with some interesting touches, like the sine waves provided by Sachiko M - covering tunes by Asa-Chang & Junray and Jim O'Rourke.

o. nate, Monday, 12 November 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

hmm, i'll have to check out that one. i had an intense love affair with asa-chang & jun-ray a few years ago.

the table is the table, Monday, 12 November 2007 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

So has anyone heard the new Book of Angels? Mycale? It looks super amazing, it has Ayelet Rose Gottlieb and Basya Schecter (ie: Pharoah's Daughter) singing on it. I don't see any instruments on the personal list, so it might all be vocal, which is awesome. Too bad no Jewlia Eisenberg, tho :(

Mordy, Monday, 25 January 2010 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Saw Zorn tonight, bitchin show.

Mordy, Thursday, 18 February 2010 04:59 (fourteen years ago) link

what kind of thing is he doing these days? The last time I saw him was a show at Tonic w/Ribot, Medeski, and ben perowsky and it unexpectedly turned out to be almost entirely straight gutbucket preachy soul jazz. I guess i have a hard time even imagining what Zorn 2010 plays out like

Bangelo, Thursday, 18 February 2010 06:03 (fourteen years ago) link

he seems to be enjoying his faux-naive easy-listening jazz these days (via his dreamers project), but it comes across as a bit too cynical to have he same charm as, say, vince guaraldi or bill wells.

it's probably the first phase of zorn's career to have zero appeal for me, tbh.

m the g, Thursday, 18 February 2010 10:02 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

anton brühin and koichi makigami's "electric eel" is a long time favourite. jaw harps & buzzing & gibbering. gets cosmic.
sajjanu's "pechiku!!" is tangled anti-rock slapstick beefhearty twang action with thee most intermittent rockingest stop start interludes if they go on a riff for 10 seconds it seems like an eternity, and it always seems like the best riff you never heard. goofy cross-eyed genius. monster tension release dialogue in this.

iglu ferrignu, Friday, 12 October 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

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gorgeous

Mordy, Sunday, 31 March 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link

holy crap this track "pale of settlement" is insanely good. total klezmer-riff blizzards

Mordy, Sunday, 31 March 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

search: jacques coursil, minimal brass. fucking astounding.

^ this. Brilliant record, one of the best of the decade (and it comes after a 37-year recording hiatus!)

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 31 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

Metheny does Masada on its way ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 April 2013 02:50 (eleven years ago) link

lotta tzadik reviews on freejazz-stef lately:

http://www.freejazzblog.org/

j., Monday, 1 April 2013 03:00 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

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Anthony Coleman - The End of Summer.
Listened to this a lot lately, very somber and sad music about loss, very beautifully performed and with lots of Morton Feldman and Scelsi influences, but Coleman's compositions have their own voice. Very much recommended.

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Phantom Orchard Orchestra - Trouble in Paradise
The duo of Zeena Parkins and Ikue Mori, augmented with five players (two of them are Parkins' sisters). Stand-out track is the 10-minute 'Red, Blue and Green', which sounds as a through-composed piece rather than improvised as most of the other material.

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Rob Burger - City of Strangers
Sounds like a Tin Hat album and as good as one.

EvR, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link

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Pat Metheny - Book of Angels Volume 20: Tap
This will come as a surprise to PM's fans, but less so for those who know the BoA series, for whom this is just another cd in the series. There's nothing wrong with this cd, but I wish this was a group affair like his latest Quartet-cd, rather than an immensely overdubbed recording where Metheny plays almost every instrument (except for the drums).

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Morton Feldman - Patterns in a Chromatic Field
Feldman goes jump-cut style! Ok, less radical than Zorn's own compositions, but still...new ideas are introduced and abandoned every few minutes, and the mood is always changing. Challenging music, and long...the disc is over 80 minutes but very enjoyable (ok I'm a Feldman fan, so I'm happy with everything he did).

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John Zorn - Filmworks XXV: City of Slaughter
As mentioned above, Zorn's latest Filmworks-cd, consisting of only solo piano music. Interesting not only for Zorn's own piano playing, but also for a beautiful version of 'Beyond the Infinite' by Rob Burger.

EvR, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link

Is that Metheny very new? I've never seen it before, but I haven't checked in with Tzadik for a while. Thanks for the updates.

yes, the Metheny-cd was released this month.

EvR, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

i love the city of slaughter - also of new stuff i really like the carlebach/fela kuti crossover zion80 album from jon madoff, and i'm greatly anticipating the metal album from deveykus coming out soonish

Mordy , Wednesday, 29 May 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link

I have to review the Metheny disc for Jazziz, even though from what I've heard it is not in any way a jazz album.

誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 29 May 2013 20:29 (ten years ago) link

PM's fans will know not to be too surprised by anything, surely.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 30 May 2013 03:20 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, "Metheny plays Zorn" is basically the ultimate bait for me. (I LOVE The Gnostic Preludes feat Frisell and expect this will be every bit as good.) The iTunes clips sound promising. This is definitely going to be my next purchase.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 30 May 2013 03:36 (ten years ago) link

have to review the Metheny disc for Jazziz, even though from what I've heard it is not in any way a jazz album.

That depends on what your definition of a jazz album is, but I agree it's more about orchestration, colouring of different types of string instruments that set a kind of mood, although there's lots of improvisation and chord sequences typical for PM. I guess that PM fans might want to check out more of the BoA series (hence the Nonesuch-release and different cover besides the Tzadik release).

EvR, Thursday, 30 May 2013 07:24 (ten years ago) link

Predictably, I love it, except for the last track. I can see it becoming my favourite album from this year. (Colin Stetson's the other contender right now.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 June 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link

i'm working on one of the Zorn @ 60 shows; he's doing a "purely improvisational" session with Ryuichi Sakamoto in October.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 June 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link

Is he doing as big a series of shows as the @50 series?

Thank you for talkin' to me Williamsburg (WilliamC), Saturday, 1 June 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link


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