― stevem (blueski), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:08 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 23 May 2003 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
Songs about staring at tits are not misogynistic. They are just gloriously dumb.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:39 (twenty years ago) link
in other words, while there are modes of repression that are reserved for women, it has generally been expedient for the white man to exploit nonwhite women as though they were men.
prof. davis offers this only by way of introducing the subject. i think she felt racist attitudes had been deconstructed (in the academy) to the point where thinkers could begin to take on patriarchy (hopefully we are reaching that point as music listeners).
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
The anger & misogyny comes from fear, right? Men are being hurt by women and they're afraid of them. That's what these songs are about. The stakes are higher when love & lust are involved, which is why these pains are so deep & the resulting anger so intense. Comparing this stuff w/ racist lyrics doesn't quite work, I don't think, b/c the hurt that comes w/ love is universal.
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 23 May 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link
That's pretty fundamental, I think.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 23 May 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 23 May 2003 19:03 (twenty years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link
― masta ace (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:27 (twenty years ago) link
was Lucille Bogan a hermaphrodite?
how about:
wait - for his bitch to leavemiss trina got a trick up her sleeveopen up the door i walk straight in the houseput your man down and put my cock in his mouth
from trina's "hustling"
― brian badword (badwords), Friday, 23 May 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link
I would posit that most of the lyrics being discussed here have nothing to do with "the hurt that comes with love".
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:00 (twenty years ago) link
sp - you could say that, or you could say our culture equips men with verbal weapons women don't have. just this week i heard dr. phil tell someone on oprah never to call men irresponsible, cause it feels the same as when a man calls a woman a bitch. what a load of bullshit!
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 23 May 2003 22:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Millar (Millar), Friday, 23 May 2003 23:15 (twenty years ago) link
No, I'll buy that one. Seeing as how it's men prescribed role to be breadwinners and such, and it's women's prescribed role to be nurturers and such, I can see an irresponsible-->bitch corollary. Your argument is that men feel no pain, because we control everything, and thus should shut the fuck up. And if we're talking corporate power, that's true. But not on a personal level. Not if you want to have a healthy heterosexual relationship.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link
― brian badword (badwords), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link
― brian badword (badwords), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link
On a more serious note, if your point is that sexism is as bad as racism, it would probably be best if you didn't create a situation where it looks like you are equating bringing up the fact that misogyny exists with using the word "nigger" as that tends to cloud your point and cause people to not take you seriously.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 24 May 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 24 May 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Saturday, 24 May 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link
― duane, Saturday, 24 May 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link
― brian badword (badwords), Saturday, 24 May 2003 02:20 (twenty years ago) link
― brian badword (badwords), Saturday, 24 May 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 24 May 2003 02:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Saturday, 24 May 2003 10:45 (twenty years ago) link
"The hurt that comes with lust", more likely.
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 24 May 2003 10:59 (twenty years ago) link
I'd equate these things, if only in the way that they'd be equally dumb things to do, unless you've got a good point coming soon after.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:50 (twenty years ago) link
― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:58 (twenty years ago) link
Don't know anything about Scandanavian languages, but I have read an account of how in Louisiana "coquille" (scallop) was used to refer to the female parts, and that this was later shortened to "cock."
― j.lu (j.lu), Saturday, 24 May 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 24 May 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:05 (twenty years ago) link
― mast ace (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:45 (twenty years ago) link
― David Allen, Sunday, 25 May 2003 03:11 (twenty years ago) link
Also, can someone give examples of AC/DC lyrics that display a hatred towrds women rather than just an objectification of them?From memory they're mostly just schoolboy tales of bawdy girls that do to females what (I imagine) mills and boon novels do to males, that is, pretend they're something they're not.
― mei (mei), Monday, 2 June 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
To put it another way many men must be turned on by women who look female but act like men.
How gay is that?
― mei (mei), Monday, 2 June 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link
Frank, I don't know if you'll see this, but "misogyny" means hatred of women in general and "Pushin' Too Hard" is a guy annoyed at one particular woman for bugging him.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link
"...And when I told him I had been untrueHe hit me and it felt like a kissHe hit me and I knew he loved meCause if he didn't care for meI could have never made him madHe hit me and I was glad"
― Zach S, Friday, 11 November 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― teeth marks on your tongue (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 11 November 2005 07:17 (eighteen years ago) link
the way "misogyny" gets promiscously tossed around by pop music critics has everything to do w/this.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 11 November 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― duke of marlboro (mickeygraft), Friday, 11 November 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― minna (minna), Saturday, 12 November 2005 06:11 (eighteen years ago) link