It would be pretty funny if Grinderman 3 turned out to be another album of synthy drumless ballads
― Simon H., Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
I liked his last couple of albums a lot, but they made more of an impression in the context of the documentary and concert film, respectfully, then they did on my stereo.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
Push the Sky Away certainly had moments of rocking out (the ends of "Jubilee Street" and "Higgs Boson Blues")
― ufo, Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
I love the last two records but part didn't grab me much, I'm however willing to believe this sounds way better in a non-streaming on Youtube format
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:45 (four years ago) link
"Part 1" I meant to say
ah, that was all too samey for me. i nearly fell asleep.
― meaulnes, Thursday, 3 October 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
This mostly sounds like Nick Cave reading out poetry over a noodly Cave/Ellis soundtrack.
It sounds a lot like Skeleton Tree but it's missing something.
― Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Friday, 4 October 2019 08:07 (four years ago) link
there's some very pretty bits on this and i think i would really like it if it was only for a few tracks in the context of a more varied album but it's too much all at once. i felt the same way about skeleton tree and never got into it the way i did push the sky away, which is one of my favourites of his.
― ufo, Friday, 4 October 2019 08:48 (four years ago) link
ok the second disc rules, the longer songs allow for much more movement and progression so they end up more engaging overall
― ufo, Friday, 4 October 2019 10:05 (four years ago) link
Worthy but tedious album. A real slog to get through. I'm sure the Guardian will love it and Nick's new legion of hipster fans and edgy moms will be all over it, but I miss the Bad Seeds as a band and the excitement and energy from their old albums.
― Fried Egg Sandwich, Friday, 4 October 2019 11:15 (four years ago) link
I'm sure the Guardian will love it
Bingo:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/oct/04/nick-cave-and-the-bad-seeds-ghosteen-review-the-most-beautiful-songs-he-has-ever-recorded
― pomenitul, Friday, 4 October 2019 11:16 (four years ago) link
i loved skeleton tree and y’all are being real nerds about this
― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 11:27 (four years ago) link
Nick's new legion of hipster fans and edgy moms will be all over it
Hipster fans and edgy moms how? Haven't heard the new one yet, but why do you think this is the case?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 4 October 2019 11:27 (four years ago) link
dnftt
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 4 October 2019 11:28 (four years ago) link
the good bits on this are really so good that i already regret being vaguely dismissive of it earlier when i was halfway through it
― ufo, Friday, 4 October 2019 11:36 (four years ago) link
I had already pre-ordered it so I think I might hold off on listening to it again until I have the physical copy in a month or so, but on first blush it wasn't really for me, certainly the obvious next step after Skeleton Tree, but not as engaging
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 4 October 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
The bit I heard there was some (relatively) high-register singing. Was that Nick, or Ellis, or someone else?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
I couldn't really tell, feels like it wasn't always Nick or Warren
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 4 October 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
I don't know that anyone is gonna write a better Nick Cave song than Elena Setien this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43rYIsnoPug
― bendy, Friday, 4 October 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
at the end of "Hollywood" i'm pretty sure it's Cave who sings for a while in a higher register
― ufo, Friday, 4 October 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
tried cutting it down to five tracks because i found the first disc to be a bit too meandering and found it to be completely transcendent like this:
GhosteenBright HorsesNight RaidGalleon ShipHollywood
― ufo, Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
Idk about y'all but I'm crying to every single beautiful and devastating song on this album
― winters (josh), Saturday, 5 October 2019 01:26 (four years ago) link
this was a lovely listen
― akm, Saturday, 5 October 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
I must say I never dreamed I would hear a Yamaha DX7 bell on a Nick Cave album ("Night Raid"). I don't begrudge him wanting to make beautiful music to mourn his son but I feel uncomfortable listening to it.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 5 October 2019 08:48 (four years ago) link
certainly the obvious next step after Skeleton Tree, but not as engaging
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, October 4, 2019 9:08 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
so if I found Skeleton Tree difficult and dull, I'm going to find this one borderline unlistenable, yes?
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 5 October 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
it's much better imo, but i found skeleton tree to be mostly tension without much release. this one's much prettier and there's more to grab onto, at least for me. i still think it's a little much overall but the highs on it are incredible and some of his best ever work
― ufo, Saturday, 5 October 2019 12:35 (four years ago) link
i kinda do hope that since this one is supposed to be the "end of a trilogy" they'll make something more rocking next time, but keep the wonderful sound design from these last few albums around
― ufo, Saturday, 5 October 2019 12:46 (four years ago) link
i love the all tension no release quality of skeleton tree. it's like it's stuck in a loop. ghosteen seems like the other side of its coin, all that tension in service of total gorgeousness
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
"night raid" is incredible btw
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
― ufo, Friday, October 4, 2019 6:09 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i respect this reduction bc these are all the songs that blew my mind on contact, but i think i’d still miss the others particularly “spinning song” and “leviathan”
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
my initial read on this album still feels correct, so good job me. "Bright Horses" got me right in the gut on second listen and I suspect I'll feel that way about much of this soon
― Simon H., Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
Fried Egg Sandwich at 6:15 4 Oct 19Worthy but tedious album. A real slog to get through. I'm sure the Guardian will love it and Nick's new legion of hipster fans and edgy moms will be all over it, but I miss the Bad Seeds as a band and the excitement and energy from their old albums.
yeah really sad to see Nick Cave appealing to hipsters as opposed to his old working class, salt of the Earth, sports bar crowd cranking The Good Son from their Ford F150son first listen, I don't like it as much as Skeleton Tree but feels like something that could grow with further listensI absolutely love Push the Sky Away but always seems to get a lukewarm response on ILM
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:08 (four years ago) link
“edgy moms” jfc
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
sheesh, moms are the worst
― L'assie (Euler), Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link
i don't know if i think the whole is better than skeleton tree but i'm pretty sure part 2 is the best thing he's done this decade
― american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
i'm pretty sure part 2 is the best thing he's done this decade
― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 5 October 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
with the analogue synths and the choir sounds... it's like he's singing over a Kosmische album from the late 70s sometimes
― StanM, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
the second disc is absolutely better than push the sky away and i say this as a big fan of that album
― ufo, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
weirdly what this album reminds me the most of is magical cloudz which i never really expected from a nick cave record
― ufo, Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
haven't fully digested it but surprised anybody would prefer it to the last two. It's certainly beautiful and but seems to be a bit too soundtracky (and not unlike some of Cave and Ellis's soundtracks) and a bit too lacking in variety and tension? And surprised anybody would say Skeleton Tree is all tension and no release, when the penultimate song Distant Sky is perhaps the most beautiful recording of the last 10 years.
― dan selzer, Sunday, 6 October 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
for me it's the most interesting thing he's done, or at least the thing i like the most since Abattoir Blues. probably because some of the first disc definitely sounds influenced by mid 90s Current 93.
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
the opening of the title track feels very "warszawa" to me
the whole album is continuing to grow on me, i think i was caught off-guard by it opening with "spinning song" which is one of the most minimal and skeleton tree-like tracks, but i even like that a lot now. "ghosteen speaks" is the only one i haven't gotten into yet, it's still quite formless and is mostly synth drones plus backing vocals "wwhoaaaaaaaaa" over and over
― ufo, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 11:04 (four years ago) link
I'm sold on that!
― michaellambert, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 19:45 (four years ago) link
Or like a later Alice Coltrane record, which both he & esp Ellis are noted fans of
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 9 October 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
Hmm, thinking of this in terms of one of Alice Coltrane's ashram cassettes helps. My first listen found it too tract-like, too dependent on the words to click. But framing it as devotional pondering may help.
― bendy, Thursday, 10 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/REug3mx.jpg
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Thursday, 10 October 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
Nick what do you think Antifa is fighting for
http://www.theredhandfiles.com/why-do-you-write/
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
Or against, rather
nick: "self-righteous belief and the suppression of contrary systems of thought" is bad. "lack of humility" is bad. "paternalistic and doctrinal sureness" is bad.
also nick: people who are religious and believe in god are indisputably wrong and should probably be shunned.
― fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
i couldn't care less if people believe in god but i found his antifa commments quite shocking.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:50 (four years ago) link