Odyssey Dawn: a military operations in Libya thread.

ican we call this a success now

― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:26 (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

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Migrants stranded in Libya endure sewage, maggots, disease

By intent, and certainly a politically more palatable solution to the migrant problem than hosting the concentration camps in Italy.

Backed by Italy, Libya enlists militias to stop migrants

I anticipate this model to stop refugees fleeing overpopulation, resource scarcity, and the climate crisis will promoted in other nations of the Maghreb and West Asia (and maybe even Mexico).

I got handed a lot of shit for saying this over and over.

I am totally unconvinced that the people of Libya are going to benefit from this war, however much this is invoked as the sole purpose of our bombing.

― Aimless, Wednesday, May 25, 2011 11:58 AM (eight years ago)

Post WWII, the populations that have benefited from foreign military/intelligence agency intervention (South Korea, Kosovo) are utterly dwarfed by those that have been harmed. We're batting well under 0.1.

I am totally unconvinced that the people of Libya are going to benefit from this war, however much this is invoked as the sole purpose of our bombing.

idk what yr crowing about, you think they would have been better off getting massacred by Khadhafee? yeah ok whatever, this is an unprovable hypothesis.

There would have been a crackdown on regime change plotters in Benghazi (who had been collaborating with French military intelligence since late 2010), and least those who didn't obtain asylum. However, it wouldn't have thrown the nation into regional (and tribal) conflict for a decade.

Often, dictatorial rule is preferable to civil conflict.

Ah, yes, Οὖτις, you were the one who looked at my stated misgivings about our participation in the Libyan war and concluded that I thought "colonialism was worse than genocide". How genocide crept into the discussion is a mystery only you can solve.

"humanitarian intervention" is a bad idea that otherwise sensible ppl keep falling for

obama said in some interview late in his term that intervening in libya was his worst mistake as president, and it's hard not to agree

piracy on the Mediterranean, seems a little unlikely

― goole, Thursday, 25 August 2011 16:58 (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

does anyone want to intervene to topple haftar/the army? terrorising the south, indiscriminately or at least inaccurately shelling tripoli, how many dead civilians would it take?

are open air slave markets not a big issue in libya now too?

Often, dictatorial rule is preferable to civil conflict.

― despondently sipping tomato soup (Sanpaku), 3. juli 2019 20:28 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

My main problem with this is that dictatorial rule is pretty inherently unstable, and most often ends in civil conflict anyway.

Both Haftar and Jarvanka are UAE clients. There won't be a US led intervention.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/24/mercenaries-flock-to-libya-raising-fears-of-prolonged-war

Of course. Saudi Arabia has been using the same janjaweed to guard their own border with Yemen for several years, having learned how useless their own National Guard (ie, army) is.

Interesting article but doesn't say that NATO bombed Libya's Great ManMade River & destroyed a pipe factory, causing water scarcity since 2011. Now 4 out of abt 7 million Libyans could “face imminent water problems,” a potential “humanitarian disaster.” https://t.co/je5ASKbfGq

— Lucia Pradella (@LuGuangMing) August 18, 2021

Up to 20,000 are now believed dead in Libya. This tragedy hasn't just been caused by floods, but by NATO's 2011 military aggression and ongoing sanctions that have decimated the country and undermined its ability to prepare for extreme weather events. https://t.co/mUekVkd5Vw 1/2

— Kai Heron (@KaiHeron) September 14, 2023

Community notes does its job again

Libya was once one of Africa's most prosperous countries, but years of lawlessness have left it a fragile, divided state - ill-prepared to cope with the forces unleashed by a natural disaster. https://t.co/aFGO37ettU

— BBC News Africa (@BBCAfrica) September 13, 2023