Gun Club: Classic or DUD

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I hate you both.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Classic! A couple of months ago I saw the White Stripes live, and before getting to the stage they put "Fire of Love". They were playing in this really big arena, so it was weird (but refreshing) to be part of a 15000-people crowd where everybody were listening to this album.

(Though my personal favorite's probably be Miami)

iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

I still love The Las Vegas Story far more than their other output. Is it just me?

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Fire of Love is one of my 10 or so favorite "punk" albums.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

their last album, lucky jim is one of the saddest and most touching albums i have ever heard. i can hardly listen to it anymore these days. miami was a little disappointing i found, it really pales next to fire of love. of the cds i have divinity is my fave, i guess. there is something diabolic about jeffrey lee pierce and i find it extremely attractive.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Thursday, 29 September 2005 10:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
Classic, I TELL YOU AGAIN.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 06:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
I just bought Fire of Love on a friend's recommendation. I hadn't heard them before at all, and I fuckin' love the album. It's the best of the current crop I've bought/downloaded, and that includes albums by the Rolling Stones, John Lennon, S.O.D., Anthrax, Slayer, Prince, Jane's Addiction, The Pop Group, Captain Beefheart, The Kinks, and Jimi Hendrix. So there! Totally fucking CLASSIC!! I'm about to go on a listening binge with Fire.

regular roundups (Dave M), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

definitely classic

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 13 February 2006 06:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

Unfortunately this band broke up too, but I'd like to mention that 16 Horsepower is the closest I've heard any other band approach Jeffery Lee Pierce's spirit. A mix of Gun Club, Joy Division, Nick Cave and bluegrass. You can hear their cover of "Fire Spirit" on the live Hoarse album, alongwith covers of Creedence and Joy Division, and some of David Eugene Edwards' most intense originals. I hope Edwards keeps making records.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 13 February 2006 11:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

not just classic,one of the best bands ever (or better:one of the best jeffry's ever)

howld, Monday, 13 February 2006 12:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

May be of some interest.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 13 February 2006 12:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...
What's with JLP's use of the "N-Word". Is that the proper way to say it? "N-Word"?

I know there's a lyric or two on Fire Of Love or Miami (both records I love) but I'm listening to a great bootleg from 1982 and at the beginning of Jack On Fire he just says "N-Word".

Is this ok?

derekerdman (Derek Erdmany), Sunday, 8 October 2006 20:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

No. Bootlegs are illegal because they constitute the sale of artistic property for which the artists and record companies receive no royalties. Until the Gun Club's surviving members agree to release a recording of this 1982 concert to the public domain, you have no right to listen to and speculate about this curious version of "Jack on Fire" -- and aye, you are a criminal for doing so.

To address the heart of the matter, Jeffrey Lee Pierce was not a racist; he loved and respected black people, and he was an avid follower of many blues and reggae artists. He certainly wasn't a bigot on account of his lyrics. In his music he used a device called a persona, which is to say he delivered his songs from the perspective of a fictional character whose views were not necessarily consistent with his own. If the line "I was hunting for niggers down in the dark" makes you uncomfortable, just pretend the narrator of the song is a deranged mid-20th-century Kentucky preacher whose wife just left him for a black woodcutter whose name is probably LaDerrick. And if you're offended by Jeffrey's casual use of the word "nigger" at the beggining of "Jack on Fire," just pretend he was hopped up on heroin -- and thuis deprived of his social conscience -- for the duration of the concert. [/prolixity]

King-a-Ling (King-a-Ling), Sunday, 8 October 2006 21:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Basically, Jeffrey Lee's authenticity gave him the right to invoke the language of racism and evil.

King-a-Ling (King-a-Ling), Sunday, 8 October 2006 22:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

"It is not an art statement/to drown a few passionate men"

Fire of Love totally beyond classic

J0hn D., Tuesday, 22 May 2007 23:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

She's like heroin to me, she cannot miss the vein... Wow. Fuck "Miami", it's indeed all about "Fire of Love"... Oddly the GC is currently being revived here in Montreal by an up and coming band which regularly plays covers of their songs during their live sets. The Club's really another one of these obscure bands from which spring various cult figures... the Kid, Patti Morrison... It's a bit like Crime & the City Solution, confidentially yours...

And "Sex Beat"! What an album-opener!

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i wonder what band this was/is

s1ocki, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 02:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

mother of earth (from 'miami') is one of my favourite songs of all time.

estela, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 02:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

are the gun club really obscure these days? i remember tons of kids seeming to dig/ at least know about them -- goths, rockers, punkers, mockers...

but then i do speak of twenty-plus years ago.

and yeah i love them a lot, in small doses. best rev. gary davis cover, ever.

Mike McGooney-gal, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

ohh wait that's son house, doh.

Mike McGooney-gal, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

are the gun club really obscure these days? i remember tons of kids seeming to dig/ at least know about them -- goths, rockers, punkers, mockers...

but then i do speak of twenty-plus years ago.

lol

latebloomer, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

i wonder what band this was/is

Godspeed You Sex Beat

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

are the gun club really obscure these days?

yes

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 03:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Waht! I thought they were pretty well known.

Trayce, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't have heard of them if not for the Left of the Dial comp which I only came across thanks to the internet. Even then they were still buried amongst 50 other artists.

Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I knew about them cause of the Guthrie production, apparently "Breaking Hands" is awesome tho I dont know if I have it/have heard it.

Trayce, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

I know their music from way back when.

Kid Congo's living in DC these days. He was in the row ahead of me seeing "the Fabulous Stans" movie at the Library of Congress a little while back.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

His new album's pretty nice, and there's ILXor involvement...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 04:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yes.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 07:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

Two Lone Swordsmen are doing their best to revive them.

baaderonixx, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 08:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

My typo above--Kid Congo was seeing the "Fabulous Stains" movie. I am also trying to remember if I ever saw the Gun Club. I know I missed them opening for the Cramps at the Bayou in Georgetown (DC) because I was studying for a final. Hmmmm, I wonder if they ever came back to town.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 13:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

Lucky Jim's a bit crap though, IMO.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 29 February 2008 16:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I wouldn't have heard of them if not for the Left of the Dial comp. . . . .

And what a fantastic -- utterly classic -- comp it is.

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 30 May 2008 02:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

Original drummer Terry Graham has got a Kickstarter going for a book project on the time/place -- looks well worth it!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1417342148/its-a-book-punk-like-meliner-notes-for-a-revolutio

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Lucky Jim's a bit crap though"
no it isn't. it is one of the great last albums. like nirvana's unplugged.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 6 August 2010 12:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

coming after pastoral hide & seek and divinity I thought lucky jim was a drop in quality for sure

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 6 August 2010 12:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

want to give some special extra shine since nobody seems to really talk much about it, but damn, the las vegas story is something else. totally engrossing, lynchian subversive america shit. i'll take that record over ANY psychobilly album ever recorded including the whole of the cramps catalogue

you sleazy prostitute (jk), Friday, 7 January 2011 04:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Jose Esteban Muñoz, "Calling Up Thunder: The Gun Club and the Punk Rock Commons"

EMP Pop Conference presentation scheduled for March 25th

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Calling Up Thunder: The Gun Club and the Punk Rock Commons"

What does that even mean?

Anyway, been listening to Miami lately and it's really good. I am new to this band.

the box cutter killer from the calcutta gutter (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 06:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Google tells me that Munoz is an NYU professor who listened to the Gun Club, Germs and other LA bands when he was younger, and he writes about that in his book Cruising utopia: the then and there of queer futurity . I still do not know what the "calling up thunder" phrase refers to.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 13:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's a Gun Club song title. The "Punk Rock Commons" is what I don't quite get.

the box cutter killer from the calcutta gutter (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 13:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think it just means punk-rock's tropes & shared values etc in this instance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_commons

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 13:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thanks.

I guess drummer Graham has still not gotten his book published yet, although the kickstarter financing was successful.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

The lyrics to "Jack on Fire" (posted way upthread) reminds me of Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian".

Mule, Thursday, 16 February 2012 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will fuck you till you die

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 16 February 2012 09:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like the judge

Mule, Thursday, 16 February 2012 10:10 (2 years ago) Permalink


Interesting, hadn't known this existed as video until earlier today.
Am assuming it's the source of the image here
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Death-Party-Gun-Club/dp/B0002DRKYY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1329434582&sr=8-2
and here http://www.discogs.com/Gun-Club-Love-Supreme/release/913496

Rob Ritter departed, to reappear in 45 Grave. Patricia Morrison brought in as his replacement. She stayed in the band until they split at the end of '84, but wasn't in New York when Tex & The Horseheads recording session ran short and Death Party was recorded. Jim Uliana was, so is on that but wasn't in the band.

Not sure if the video is the same gig as the recording on the 2 discs pictured above. Love the garage rock take on A Love Supreme on them.
The lp of that title is 1/2 of what's on that Death Party disc. The other half was released as Sex Beat '81.
The 2 lps were released when Terry Graham and Ward Dotson sold the tapes to a European record label cos they were making no money from being in the band.

The video is from around the time Miami was released but Rob Ritter was already gone by the time that came out hence his face not being on the cover and his weird sleeve billing. I think that record has one of my favourite covers ever which I find almost synaesthetic to the record inside. not sure too many would. But I find a record that was recorded in a cramped NYC studio fills my head with visions of wide open plains as well as swamp fronds. Love the psychedelic touches, the swirls of pedal steel guitar etc. One of my all-time favourite records.

Stevolende, Thursday, 16 February 2012 23:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

great interview with Nick Cave about his friendship with Pierce:

http://messandnoise.com/articles/4448221

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 17:02 (10 months ago) Permalink

So sad re Pierce's medical issues

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 17:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

I guess drummer Graham has still not gotten his book published yet, although the kickstarter financing was successful.

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, January 25, 2012

Still don't see via google any sign that his "Punk Like Me" book has been published

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 17:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

No no sign of Tery Graham's book and he's said that he couldn't get it printed for the money raised or something to that effect, not apologised to anybody who sent him money through Kickstarter and no sign of the book.

There have been a load of bootlegs of the band in various incarnations upped to various places over the years. & Hellione's dvds of their tv appearances etc have been good watching.
I think the official dvds are also still in print. THe 2 from manchester & the from Spain at least.

JLP put out a book called Go Tell The Mountain which conssisted of reminiscences and a load of lyrics, think it was through Rollins's imprint. I should have it around somewhere but need to be more organised.

& I think most of the lps are in print on cd. Plus some other unreleased at the time stuff.
Oh & there have been 2 reasonably successful tribute sets covering various songs he wrote.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 November 2013 17:58 (10 months ago) Permalink


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