It may already have been discussed, but since I seem to be the infrequent and absentee ILXor, I pose a question to all here: I reside in CA. Even in this left leaning state I hear people that I know to be left leaning saying the following things:1) Obama should have taken Hil as the Veep. It would have helped him to win2) (This one irks and scares me)No matter what he says and stands for, Obama will never win this election b/c of the many votes held by the middle states; be they democ or repub they simply won't elect a black man as pres of the US b/c they're still to old skool bigots. Comments?
― Wiggy Woo, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link
lol klo posted this:
FOX NEWSHas their text message poll in Blue for Biden and Pink for Palen. For real.
1) Obama should have taken Hil as the Veep. It would have helped him to win
― joe 40oz (deej), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link
true indeed. Two women on the ticket would equal a big nothing
― Wiggy Woo, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:22 (fifteen years ago) link
klo:
PALIN’S PROBLEMIs she doesn’t have thorough substantive comebacks. I don’t think it will matter to people. It will matter to MSNBC. They’re not people. They’re left-wingbots
― joe 40oz (deej), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Mom: 'Admit it, you were impressed. I bet she was faking all those dumb answers to Katie Couric to soften people up for that.'
S: 'I already knew she could debate using five sets of GOPAC taking points, but if she's into wasting the time of journalists and by extension the voters in this very important election, that shows plus de ego and minus de common sense.'
― jane hussein lane (suzy), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:25 (fifteen years ago) link
THE MOST DISTURBING PART OF THAT DEBATEMay have been Biden’s veep answer. Someone get that man a pocket Constitution. The Heritage Foundation should do a drop tomorrow.
― joe 40oz (deej), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link
RESPECT FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS??!?!
― Savannah Smiles, Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:50 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark
^^^
I know.
― Fr. Jemima Racktouey (ENBB), Thursday, October 2, 2008 6:52 PM (1 minute ago)
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― horseshoe, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link
also, it was very satisfying to hear Biden talk about Cheny's unconstitutional expansion of the vice-presidency in exactly the tone merited, i.e. alarm. wtf @ Sarah Palin endorsing Cheney's power hunger?
― horseshoe, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:27 (fifteen years ago) link
can I just say that there is no letter K in Ahmenidijad? Both of them kept pronouncing it Akmedinijad. Not that anyone cares, especially since Palin kept trotting out nukular and all.
― john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link
her suit and shoes were beautiful.
― horseshoe, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:28 (fifteen years ago) link
pronouncing Ahmed "Ackmed" is such a canonical orientalism i don't think it reads as wrong to anyone in the west.
― horseshoe, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link
black guy + woman ticket would have been countered by reliable, avuncular, sparring back-to-back photo-op white-guy duo, who would've romped home.
xp affirmative to women's rights. that should have been a question, it involves the two of them in such diametrically opposed ways.
― schlump, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link
not as big a deal as the fact that she never made any fucking sense or completed any of her sentences.
i meant her mispronunciation isn't as big a deal, not her utter, disgusting hypocrisy about women's rights.
― horseshoe, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:30 (fifteen years ago) link
hear hear and right on horseshoe! and she didn't once answer coherently (again).
― Wiggy Woo, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Palin Tonight [Mark R. Levin]
I have been involved in and observed politics for a long time. Governor Palin is a truly unique national figure. She is down to earth, personable, and smart as hell. That's right. She has been on the national scene for a little over a month, she has been campaigning everywhere, she has had to bone up on all kinds of national issues, and she has shown class throughout. Too often too many are persuaded by the mainstream media's opinion and react to that. This should be another lesson in that regard. As for some of her populist views, she cannot openly campaign against the positions of her presidential running mate. She is the bright light in this campaign from my perspective.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't remember the particular question but the most egregious case of not answering the question had to be where the question was about bankrupcy reform and she said "my answer is no" and then starting talking about oil? wtf?
― john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:33 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah but she actually said "and since that was such a short answer, let me adress energy..."
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd love to be able to get away with that during an exam.
― john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link
"I don't know anything about the life of Peter, but let me tell you about the life of Jesus..."
― Mordy, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link
lol:
K-Lo
An e-mail: "She failed to answer many of the questions. If a man gave this performance he would have been cruicified."
I think any curve grade — and I don't really think you had to grade on a curve to say she won — is granted because she is new to this, not because she's a chick.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link
CNN & CBS beg to differ: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/23101/4268/952/618411
― john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:40 (fifteen years ago) link
MSM BIAS
― Alex in SF, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link
stop lying about my record, Mr. Que
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Don't know if anybody already mentioned this in the thread, but did she really equate Iran, North Korea and CUBA?
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Well she equatored Akman, Kim Jong and the Castro Brothers, yes.
― Alex in SF, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:48 (fifteen years ago) link
pronouncing Ahmed "Ackmed" is such a canonical orientalism
Pardon, the proper term is "Asian."
― Leee, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link
canonical orientalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West
― TOMBOT, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Doesn't arbitrarily picking out Cuba to play pinch hitter in a manufactured axis of evil smack of Bush-style desperation and ill-considered inflammatory? It kinda stopped me dead in my tracks.
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah that was pretty whaaaaaaaat
― TOMBOT, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:55 (fifteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West― TOMBOT, Friday, October 3, 2008 3:53 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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― it be me, me, me and timothy (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:55 (fifteen years ago) link
especially since the question was about pakistan, right? she mentioned basically every country ever except pakistan in the "answer."
― TOMBOT, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
WE WILL NEVER NEGOTIATE WITH THE CASTRO BROTHERS!
― Alex in SF, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:56 (fifteen years ago) link
the Castro Brothers is def the best takeaway from this
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link
hey there you arewhere you go
― Office Cat is Eating the Monitor Again (kingfish), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link
― horseshoe, Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:29 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
People always used to pronounce the name of former NBA player Mahmoud Abdul Rauf with that "k" sound, too.
― jaymc, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Halperin gives them both a B, with Palin graded on more of a curve, says it changes no fundamentals
― gabbneb, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Worst Hypothetical Rapper Names
― john mccain's illegitimate black child (musically), Friday, 3 October 2008 03:58 (fifteen years ago) link
> Vic, is there a way to explain to your Mom that most of what she said was incoherent babble? that she doesn't know what "attributed to" means, for instance?
Oh, my mom still assured me that "we're (dad + her) voting Democrats, i don't like what she says," but that "she looked good and spoke well." The superficial "looking good" thing kind of registers w/ her, unfortunately - though I tried to tell her how Palin was looking gross w/ all the over-winking. As my parents are Pennsylvanians I'm v concerned abt whatever they're thinking
― Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link
ok now there's a guy behind chris matthews with a "SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION DESERVED AN AWARD" sign.
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Friday, 3 October 2008 04:02 (fifteen years ago) link
Sarah Palin: Clean and articulate!
― rogermexico., Friday, 3 October 2008 04:02 (fifteen years ago) link
a guy rules and is otm
― TOMBOT, Friday, 3 October 2008 04:04 (fifteen years ago) link
The Race, Status Quo Ante; For Palin, Late Night Jokes Could Cease
^^^ummm ... no @ halperin
― joe 40oz (deej), Friday, 3 October 2008 04:04 (fifteen years ago) link
blubbing becomes the story, no one will remember the rest of the debate. Dems win.
― caek, Friday, October 3, 2008 3:23 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
This is wrong, by the way.
― caek, Friday, 3 October 2008 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link
It's not as if she answered any of the questions in any depth; she seemed primarily to give a one sentence answer and then launch into the pre-programmed response she's been prepping for the past two weeks.
This was most ugly and glaring when she was asked if lack of experience isn't her biggest failing, what her true Achilles heel was and she responded to the question by talking about how her Experience Matters. To be fair she produced a good strong speech there, really well written and delivered, but it didn't even come close to addressing the question! She heard "not experienced" and clicked play on the tape with a big ol' smile that read "ah, I know this one!" As an ex-theater major (god help me), that's the exact type of satisfaction I used to see on the faces of freshmen with a dash of talent who would just beam with the enjoyment of knowing all the words. Biden, on the other hand, heard the question and was really nimble about turning a positive to a negative in an eloquent turn of a phrase about how he had to learn not to accept Supreme Court Justices based solely on their competence.
The bar was so low that she cleared it easily; heaven save us from low expectations.
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 3 October 2008 04:07 (fifteen years ago) link
another dude with one that says:
"HEY PALIN:I,L,TC TOO"
????????????
― ♪☺♫☻ (gr8080), Friday, 3 October 2008 04:07 (fifteen years ago) link
"I love tooting coke"
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 3 October 2008 04:10 (fifteen years ago) link
^new board suggestion
i heart MSNBC, god
― Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, 3 October 2008 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link
THIS DEBATE WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT SO BORING FU
― joe six pak (ice crӕm), Friday, 3 October 2008 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link