The Lysergic Acid Diethylamidiotic Joe Biden & Sarah Palin VP Presidential Debate thread in the 2 zero zero 8 (2008 party over oops)

palin did well, but only in not blanking out/no embarrassing silences, etc. it was impressive enough that she was at that level of coherence, but it precluded any actual attacks; it's like last week, when obama attacked mccain and mccain attacked bush - it was only biden that got to really lay into them on the basis of records. i think the dems probably won the news cycle thing; biden looked shifty throughout, but when he'd go for the camera he was bold, spoke with gravitas, etc.

i still can't believe that she raised the 'you're pointing at the past' thing twice without getting pulled up on it/allowing venerable biden to dispatch lofty condemned-to-repeat-itself cliches. biden WIN for courting undecideds with his fluency, palin SECOND PLACE PRIZE for doing her base proud.

no women's rights questions though, despite roe/wade and biden mentioning introducing the act he wrote: disappointing.

Biden killed in all categories on MediaCurves.com

It may already have been discussed, but since I seem to be the infrequent and absentee ILXor, I pose a question to all here: I reside in CA. Even in this left leaning state I hear people that I know to be left leaning saying the following things:
1) Obama should have taken Hil as the Veep. It would have helped him to win
2) (This one irks and scares me)No matter what he says and stands for, Obama will never win this election b/c of the many votes held by the middle states; be they democ or repub they simply won't elect a black man as pres of the US b/c they're still to old skool bigots. Comments?

lol klo posted this:

FOX NEWS
Has their text message poll in Blue for Biden and Pink for Palen. For real.

1) Obama should have taken Hil as the Veep. It would have helped him to win

true indeed. Two women on the ticket would equal a big nothing

klo:

PALIN’S PROBLEM
Is she doesn’t have thorough substantive comebacks. I don’t think it will matter to people. It will matter to MSNBC. They’re not people. They’re left-wingbots

Mom: 'Admit it, you were impressed. I bet she was faking all those dumb answers to Katie Couric to soften people up for that.'

S: 'I already knew she could debate using five sets of GOPAC taking points, but if she's into wasting the time of journalists and by extension the voters in this very important election, that shows plus de ego and minus de common sense.'

THE MOST DISTURBING PART OF THAT DEBATE
May have been Biden’s veep answer. Someone get that man a pocket Constitution. The Heritage Foundation should do a drop tomorrow.

RESPECT FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS??!?!

― Savannah Smiles, Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:50 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark

^^^

I know.

― Fr. Jemima Racktouey (ENBB), Thursday, October 2, 2008 6:52 PM (1 minute ago)

― kate78, Thursday, October 2, 2008 8:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also, it was very satisfying to hear Biden talk about Cheny's unconstitutional expansion of the vice-presidency in exactly the tone merited, i.e. alarm. wtf @ Sarah Palin endorsing Cheney's power hunger?

can I just say that there is no letter K in Ahmenidijad? Both of them kept pronouncing it Akmedinijad. Not that anyone cares, especially since Palin kept trotting out nukular and all.

her suit and shoes were beautiful.

pronouncing Ahmed "Ackmed" is such a canonical orientalism i don't think it reads as wrong to anyone in the west.

black guy + woman ticket would have been countered by reliable, avuncular, sparring back-to-back photo-op white-guy duo, who would've romped home.

xp affirmative to women's rights. that should have been a question, it involves the two of them in such diametrically opposed ways.

not as big a deal as the fact that she never made any fucking sense or completed any of her sentences.

i meant her mispronunciation isn't as big a deal, not her utter, disgusting hypocrisy about women's rights.

hear hear and right on horseshoe! and she didn't once answer coherently (again).

Palin Tonight [Mark R. Levin]

I have been involved in and observed politics for a long time. Governor Palin is a truly unique national figure. She is down to earth, personable, and smart as hell. That's right. She has been on the national scene for a little over a month, she has been campaigning everywhere, she has had to bone up on all kinds of national issues, and she has shown class throughout. Too often too many are persuaded by the mainstream media's opinion and react to that. This should be another lesson in that regard. As for some of her populist views, she cannot openly campaign against the positions of her presidential running mate. She is the bright light in this campaign from my perspective.

I don't remember the particular question but the most egregious case of not answering the question had to be where the question was about bankrupcy reform and she said "my answer is no" and then starting talking about oil? wtf?

yeah but she actually said "and since that was such a short answer, let me adress energy..."

I'd love to be able to get away with that during an exam.

"I don't know anything about the life of Peter, but let me tell you about the life of Jesus..."

lol:

K-Lo

An e-mail: "She failed to answer many of the questions. If a man gave this performance he would have been cruicified."

I think any curve grade — and I don't really think you had to grade on a curve to say she won — is granted because she is new to this, not because she's a chick.

CNN & CBS beg to differ: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/2/23101/4268/952/618411

MSM BIAS

stop lying about my record, Mr. Que

Don't know if anybody already mentioned this in the thread, but did she really equate Iran, North Korea and CUBA?

Well she equatored Akman, Kim Jong and the Castro Brothers, yes.

pronouncing Ahmed "Ackmed" is such a canonical orientalism

Pardon, the proper term is "Asian."

canonical orientalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West

Doesn't arbitrarily picking out Cuba to play pinch hitter in a manufactured axis of evil smack of Bush-style desperation and ill-considered inflammatory? It kinda stopped me dead in my tracks.

yeah that was pretty whaaaaaaaat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West

― TOMBOT, Friday, October 3, 2008 3:53 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

especially since the question was about pakistan, right? she mentioned basically every country ever except pakistan in the "answer."

WE WILL NEVER NEGOTIATE WITH THE CASTRO BROTHERS!

the Castro Brothers is def the best takeaway from this

hey there you are
where you go

pronouncing Ahmed "Ackmed" is such a canonical orientalism i don't think it reads as wrong to anyone in the west.

― horseshoe, Thursday, October 2, 2008 10:29 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

People always used to pronounce the name of former NBA player Mahmoud Abdul Rauf with that "k" sound, too.

Halperin gives them both a B, with Palin graded on more of a curve, says it changes no fundamentals

Worst Hypothetical Rapper Names

> Vic, is there a way to explain to your Mom that most of what she said was incoherent babble? that she doesn't know what "attributed to" means, for instance?

Oh, my mom still assured me that "we're (dad + her) voting Democrats, i don't like what she says," but that "she looked good and spoke well." The superficial "looking good" thing kind of registers w/ her, unfortunately - though I tried to tell her how Palin was looking gross w/ all the over-winking. As my parents are Pennsylvanians I'm v concerned abt whatever they're thinking

ok now there's a guy behind chris matthews with a "SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION DESERVED AN AWARD" sign.

Sarah Palin: Clean and articulate!

ok now there's a guy behind chris matthews with a "SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION DESERVED AN AWARD" sign.

a guy rules and is otm

The Race, Status Quo Ante; For Palin, Late Night Jokes Could Cease

^^^ummm ... no @ halperin

blubbing becomes the story, no one will remember the rest of the debate. Dems win.

― caek, Friday, October 3, 2008 3:23 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

This is wrong, by the way.

It's not as if she answered any of the questions in any depth; she seemed primarily to give a one sentence answer and then launch into the pre-programmed response she's been prepping for the past two weeks.

This was most ugly and glaring when she was asked if lack of experience isn't her biggest failing, what her true Achilles heel was and she responded to the question by talking about how her Experience Matters. To be fair she produced a good strong speech there, really well written and delivered, but it didn't even come close to addressing the question! She heard "not experienced" and clicked play on the tape with a big ol' smile that read "ah, I know this one!" As an ex-theater major (god help me), that's the exact type of satisfaction I used to see on the faces of freshmen with a dash of talent who would just beam with the enjoyment of knowing all the words. Biden, on the other hand, heard the question and was really nimble about turning a positive to a negative in an eloquent turn of a phrase about how he had to learn not to accept Supreme Court Justices based solely on their competence.

The bar was so low that she cleared it easily; heaven save us from low expectations.

another dude with one that says:

"HEY PALIN:
I,L,TC TOO"

????????????

"I love tooting coke"

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