The Lysergic Acid Diethylamidiotic Joe Biden & Sarah Palin VP Presidential Debate thread in the 2 zero zero 8 (2008 party over oops)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-02-fact-check_N.htm

ana marie cox the maria d of cnn

xpost to gr80, did pick up on the voice trembling, which would have been humanizing if she was in a public speech class.

OMG there's a weird cross-eyed hipster republican in the cnn panel!!!!

this is on tv mordy

WHO THINKS OBAMA WILL WIN THE ELECTION: almost everyone raises their hand

any pundits talking about the biden choking up?

that nuclear answer was crrrrazy

in addition to her voice trembling she was TALKING SO FAST

she was all set to go to weather or sports

hipster republican

this is not physically possible.

so many posters passed out

caek: "palin was borderline CARTOON-EY with her gimmicky folksiness" ... "like she was portraying a character instead of being herself"

^^^ a meme that will have traction. Seen it elsewhere too.

caek: OTM. Seemed too Andy Griffith folksy to be legit.

this is not physically possible.

YGS, you're talking about the girl in green on the left in the front row, right? Dunno if she was "hipster," but she was fish-out-of-watery.

Hewitt is tickled:

After the wave of assaults on her , Sarah Palin shows the nation why John McCain picked her and why the center-right loves her. She has a great night. Joe Biden does well too, but this was all about Sarah Palin, and she delivered a strong, strong message of energy and change.

The one great line of the debate: "It is so obvious that I am a Washington outsider," Palin says, "soemone just not used to the way you guys operate" as she points out Joe Biden's attempt to doubletalk his way to Obama's position.

mccaskill on msnbc: confused about palin wanting to "increase vp's powers via constitution"

hm

9:37 CDT: [Nate] I think this one is likely to go to Biden in the post-debate polling, and perhaps by a fair margin. The expectations game is much more important for the media than for the public, and for a lot of people, she's going to come across as too scripted, come across way too close to the SNL caricature.

in the sense that they were being measured against expectation, Palin at least halfway overperformed, mostly on style (camera-focus and energy level positives; looking like a deer in headlights, speaking gibberish and explicitly running away from questions), and Biden at least slightly underperformed (in not being Vice Presidential or tough or sunny - in the early rounds - enough). and especially in the sense that this was all about Palin, she may therefore have won.

however, on a level playing field, we saw one relaxed, if slightly tired-looking, candidate who clearly knew what he was talking about and is ready to do the job, and one candidate whose nerves showed through moments of confidence and clearly knew little about the issues or the job to anyone able to discern such things.

so on style/expectations, Palin may have pulled a minor win and might help McCain a tiny bit before the next debate. but I don't think people gave her much of a handicap, and I don't think she convinced many people she's much prepared for the job. so while it wasn't the epic fail we all hoped for, Sarah Palin still = Fail.

caek!!! You noted Biden choking up too! I thought it might just be me mishearing his comment!!! I will be interested in hearing if anyone DOES comment upon it.

looking like a deer in headlights, speaking gibberish and explicitly running away from questions

negatives, of course

also, to the extent that this was all about Palin, it's even less important that Biden turned in an A- rather than an A

NBC: Despite the fact that Palin got the surge numbers wrong and referred to the commanding general in Afghanistan as the civil war general "McClellan" did good!

nate silver otm i think, ive been wondering how far they can take this folksy republican past the line of self-parody. shes on another level from bush in the cowboy hat

gabbneb - that was my 1st thought when I saw her up there "deer in the headlights"

when she said twice she'd seen his debates from earlier in the campaign, i so so so wanted him to say "i'm sure you've been watching a lot of debates the last few days, Sarah." don't care who wouldn't like it.

OH my god, I actually drank with every reference to Scranton, "Nuke-ya-lurr", AND Maverick- so drunk now. One Konig Ludwig, one entire bottle of Unibrouwe Terrible, AND a full bottle of Fantome . .. can barely walk . . . sentences unclear

Heheh...did you folks hear Biden say "Drill, Drill, Drill"? I thought of you all (or at least those of you who know Wire).

countdown opening was lol

lol someone in the background of the shot on msnbc w/ a "TINA FEY 08" sign

i also hope a lot of people watched the post-debate body language with biden the warm, assured father type showing concern for the evidently nervous-if-not-freaking-out-on-the-inside palin

countdown opening was lol

― joe 40oz (deej), Thursday, October 2, 2008 5:01 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is he really calling this a KO in favor of biden???? loool

ugh my democrat mom thought "she looked beautiful and spoke good"

heh heh heh - The drill drill dril; comment even had Palin smirking!

i don't think i'm really equipped to say how the ridiculous pholksy phrases will play where it counts, but i kinda suspect that people know a gimmick when they see one, especially after recent events with john mccain

is he really calling this a KO in favor of biden???? loool

not really

Vic, is there a way to explain to your Mom that most of what she said was incoherent babble? that she doesn't know what "attributed to" means, for instance?

one entire bottle of Unibrouwe Terrible

never seen this one -- is it as tasty (and as strong) as Trois Pistoles or Fin Du Monde?

"i don't think i'm really equipped to say how the ridiculous pholksy phrases will play where it counts, but i kinda suspect that people know a gimmick when they see one, especially after recent events with john mccain"

OMG gabbbeb, I so hope people see thru it for what it was - playing the the middle state audience!

watching sarah palin was the closest i've come to seeing someone vomit in public.

gabbneb can you not pick fights with people's mothers, who don't even post here

I will be interested in hearing if anyone DOES comment upon it.

they mentioned it on PBS. Honestly though it was no Muskie moment.

i think they're gonna put petraeus on the $20 bill

ugh my democrat mom thought "she looked beautiful and spoke good"

― Vichitravirya_XI, Friday, 3 October 2008 03:03 (7 minutes ago) Permalink

terrible

If Palin Becomes Veep [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

Joe Six-Pack would have won. It will be the Joe Six-Pack election.

10/02 09:14 PM

yeah my democrat mom thought she did well too, although it seems that for most people as long as palin didn't go full retard they would call the debate for her.

what was that "shout out to the third graders" bullshit

her exact peers?

"she won by not losing"

i'm just surprised the analysts aren't focusing more on the actual debate. just on who spoke like what.

I thought she did ok when she was off script, in the segment on foreign policy, when she attacked Biden on his disagreements with Obama on Iraq. o/w she was non-responsive to questions. Biden seemed fine, killed it a couple of times, hung in there the rest of the time.

It was mostly about McCain: that was Biden's goal, and he stuck to it; and Palin seemed to have the same goal. Obama came up a lot at first, less so as the debate wen ton. Biden seemed to make a point of not responding to Palin's views, but to McCain's views, making sure the focus stayed on McCain rather than Palin.

Biden getting choked up vid is available here: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/vpdebate.videos/index.html

It got to me, at least.

me too :(

palin did well, but only in not blanking out/no embarrassing silences, etc. it was impressive enough that she was at that level of coherence, but it precluded any actual attacks; it's like last week, when obama attacked mccain and mccain attacked bush - it was only biden that got to really lay into them on the basis of records. i think the dems probably won the news cycle thing; biden looked shifty throughout, but when he'd go for the camera he was bold, spoke with gravitas, etc.

i still can't believe that she raised the 'you're pointing at the past' thing twice without getting pulled up on it/allowing venerable biden to dispatch lofty condemned-to-repeat-itself cliches. biden WIN for courting undecideds with his fluency, palin SECOND PLACE PRIZE for doing her base proud.

no women's rights questions though, despite roe/wade and biden mentioning introducing the act he wrote: disappointing.