OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

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It is true that I would rather read about Nicky Wire in a banana suit.

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

little known fact...Tom's of Maine Toothpaste used to be Uncle Tom's of Macon Toothpaste.

― dan selzer, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

What mitigated against their argument was that, Dan and Nabisco aside (plus others but I can't be arsed re-reading the whole thing) it degenerated into unpleasant name-calling in ten seconds flat.

good morning, Adam.

― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

As a humerous aside, I gave my wife the following background:

"Do you know the soccer player Ronaldinho? He's a Brazilian hero, probably one of the best to ever play the game and a national hero, but he has fucked-up teeth."

My wife instantly began busting on his teeth, most notably around the theme "If he's that famous and he has that much money, why doesn't he fix them? If they're that big, why haven't they been knocked out yet?"

I continued: "So anyway, someone decided to make a bottle opener based on him."

My wife: "Oh no! His teeth are that fucked up that he looks like he's been opening bottles with them? ROFFLE ROFFLE"

Me: "This is what it looks like." (I show her the picture at the beginning of this thread.)

My wife: "ROFFLE ROFFLE ROFFLE ROFFLE ROFFLE OH MY GOD THAT IS INCREDIBLY RACIST I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SHIT ROFFLE ROFFLE OH NO WOW HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT ROFFLE ROFFLE WOW, that's just like that Darkie Toothpaste they sold in Japan"

Me: "ROFFLE ROFFLE DARKIE TOOTHPASTE WAS THE SECOND RESPONSE"

My wife: "ROFFLE ROFFLE ROFFLE"

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

this whole thread one side was like OMG SO NOT RACIST and the other side was like OMG U R ALL RACISTS, and why can't you people just accept that you are racist and leave it at that? it's not a death sentence, for fuck's sake.

― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

In summation, I can't spell for shit.

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

ROBBLE ROBBLE

http://www.geocities.com/skaterman.rm/hamburglar.jpg

― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: In fairness, it wasn't so much "U R ALL RACISTS" as much as it was "U R ALL DISINGENUOUS".

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

true, Dan. i was just being inflammatory.

― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Can't believe we've got this far down the thread without anyone calling Ethan out for making rape jokes...

(For those of you playing thread bingo..)

― Anna, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Also how did you know that my wife then snatched my gigantic fuck-off-huge fries and ran out the door??? STALKER

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

she emailed me the picture this morning!

― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

STALKER

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

robble robble i'm infatuated
b*tch ride a d*ck like she's makin a baby!

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I really don't think that bottle opener is racist and I wouldn't suspect one of being racist for owning it, but I couldn't own one even if I was a football fan. It's just too reminiscent of American racist iconography. I'd be uncomfortable with it and I would totally understand if guests were like WTF, dude. Products with the kind of racist iconography featured above, while rare, were sold in America as late as the '60's or even the '70's. It's going to be a while before that context disappears.

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

no you aren't

― HI DERE, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan if your wife dresses up as Hamburglar, who do you dress up as? Birdie the Early Bird?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/2e/Mcd-birdie.gif

― Mr. Que, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"U R ALL DISINGENUOUS"

is this your summary of what other people have been saying, Dan, or your own take on things?

― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

also, stevem, plz to not pretend that people around here do not use american as an insult almost as frequently (though if you have kate and a couple of other obvious targets for killfiling in your killfile you mightn't know, fair enough) as noize dudes and dcers degrade on britishes.

i haven't seen that many 'God, Americans are soooo stupid' type comments on ILX. have there really been as many, in the same style?

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

oh god

when i first saw this thread i thought to myself 'if there's ONE thread asking for trouble, this is it. Lips are sealed'.

then i thought 'hey, i'll just say one leetle thing...'

then :-(

sorry everyone, but i DO stand by what i said: i.e. this bottle-opener in itself isn't racist, although it could be seen to resemble the sort of racist iconography that i myself, a 20 year-old Brit, wouldn't have been exposed to. The toothpaste is obviously racist, for instance, but the bottle-opener struck me in itself as being no more than a reasonably cheeky but otherwise celebratory piece of memorabilia. apologies if that makes me ignorant.

is there any forgiveness i could plead for, or are my ILX privileges all spent?

― unfished business, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

the 2nd one

― and what, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

lj have you ever considered s&m? i think you could get a lot out of it.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus louis we've all moved on!

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, 23 March 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

also dan otm (about both the hamburglar and the disingenuous)

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Friday, 23 March 2007 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

bloody hell. when i was 20 i had a pretty good idea about this sort of racist iconography myself. and the internet was SHIT back then...

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis, plenty of people made very similar arguments, but they did not catch as much shit. The subject of whether or not this bottle opener is racist is incidental to peoples reaction to your posts.

You are one of the most bait-able people on ile today, other that GZeus, who will react to things that don't even exist.

You have a history, and a way of expressing yourself that generates some roffles and that is sometimes annoying.

If you are going to continue to post, you had best be able to say, "Oh, fuck it," and let things be. Also, Ally is always going to give you shit and you are going to lose these fights. I don't think you really want to engage her.

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I'll phrase that a little differently. I CAN recognise purposefully racist iconography for what it is. I haven't been exposed, however, to an entire culture of it; I don't automatically think 'racist!' whenever a caricature of a non-white person pops up. I understand, now, how this is the case for many others. And I'm feeling pretty shit about how I must have seemed to them in this rough ol' thread.

― unfished business, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: I guess so, but I don't like leaving things be when someone's just described me as a shit-for-brains! Maybe I should learn to do so...

― unfished business, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, Ally is always going to give you shit and you are going to lose these fights. I don't think you really want to engage her.

Take it from me: you don't.

― kenan, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Particularly if you're saying a bunch of ill-thought-out bullshit.

― kenan, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

hey now

― unfished business, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

shootin my mouth off
makin a scene
wearin a dress and
defendin, it seems,
some racist toy
"it's affectionate, boy!"
there's a cultural gulf
it'll swallow us both

in this rough ol' thread

― gbx, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.israellycool.com/growingpains_big.jpg

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=racial+objectification
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=objectification+african-american
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=objectification+%22black+people%22

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis this thread is not about you.

― Matt DC, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Louis's ancestors owned slaves though, so in a way it is entirely about him.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

the problem is that some people always seem so adamant about something NOT being racist (see also Shilpa CBB thing) but then as the argument develops you see how ignorant they are about the subject generally. there's so much denial involved on their side because people are often so desperate to be seen as not racist or supportive of anything that could be construed as racist. i've done it myself, tho i still think i was right in some cases heh.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

louisjaggerbottleopener.jpg

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked Grimace becuase he was purple, and had fairly inarticulate limbs

― kingfish, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

NEXT LEVEL

xpost to dom

― and what, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

shootin my mouth off
makin a scene
wearin a dress and
defendin, it seems,
some racist toy
"it's affectionate, boy!"
there's a cultural gulf
it'll swallow us both

in this rough ol' thread

gbx on Friday, 23 March 2007 15:16 (16 minutes ago)

Excellent.

― Pashmina, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Racism becomes it.

― blueski, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:7Sl97-b3UO0J:www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/historyonline/slav_fact.cfm+sicily+slavery&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=uk

― Frogman Henry, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

thunderpants.edu

― and what, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Why would a hamburglar concern himself with fries and shakes? Wouldn't that just make him a burglar with a more general specialty?

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

HAHAHA

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I really don't think that bottle opener is racist and I wouldn't suspect one of being racist for owning it, but I couldn't own one even if I was a football fan. It's just too reminiscent of American racist iconography. I'd be uncomfortable with it and I would totally understand if guests were like WTF, dude. Products with the kind of racist iconography featured above, while rare, were sold in America as late as the '60's or even the '70's. It's going to be a while before that context disappears.

I think that sums it up fairly.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

possibly the most offensive thing on this thread is the idea that objectification of black people - relentlessly focusing on their bodies or body parts - died some kind of natural dignified death, rather than actually still going great guns in a million other ways

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

when that fire gets stoked, flame-outs occur

― deej, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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