Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

now you all know what it's like to be a fan of Billy Corgan

Not me, I’m not certain I’ve ever heard any grimes song before this new single. My eyerolling is purely opportunistic

"My dark hour
My dark hour, you know it's drivin' me wild"

some new grimes lyrics about grimes main alter ego? nope. more steve miller band.

I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords

the fans have rejected her metal, i.e. her songs that sound like the flaming lips. give us your 'take the money and run'.

"I think it's interesting that Grimes is working with these themes (accelerationism, climate change, AI, fascism vs democracy) and I hope she does interesting things with them in her music. They're looming issues for most of us so it's v relevant work which is really what we should be asking from our artists. Whether she does it in the politically preferred manner is a different question and sorta a distraction since making sure your politics are right vis-a-vis eschatology is pretty fiddling while the world burns."

lmfao. OR, maybe making shitty reheated gravity kills tracks while talking about how climate change is, to you, mostly a cool freeing artistic abstraction rather than something that is actively killing people right now, is the real fiddling?

Yes she’s a musician her job is to fiddle

grimes needs to find god. she should collaborate with hunter hunt-hendrix

the "grimes doesn't take climate change seriously" bad faith take is truly the worst

(the "grimes does take wolf-whistle guitar mimicry seriously" good faith take is truly the best)

She clearly made the right move, I can't believe people are actually pissed and taking the bait on this one. Who gives a shit? It's an interesting and at the very least unique position to take as an artist now, it's also an understandable reaction to being told we're facing an unstoppable apocalypse.

flappy maybe some self-awareness about how much u love artists that are overgrown trolls is due

artists should be trolls tho maybe not all of them but provocations are def part of their job

i'm... pretty sure i didn't read this piece in bad faith, it restates a lot of points she made in her last terrible interview in a way that makes them feel narrower, more depressing, and less interesting

albeit i have been known to enjoy deeply nihilistic art so we'll see

"artists should be trolls" isn't a perspective i agree with sorry mordy

it is funny tho all the horrific things artists say thru their art about that we generally are cool w/ but w/ grimes it's all hands on deck this is an outrage etc like maybe there's more going on here than "her politics are bad" don't want to turn this isn't an idpol thing but ppl's expectations about her seem kinda weird to me. are these ppl also upset about lolita or satanism in black metal or whatever.

xp it's not the only thing they do brad but claiming that artists trolling is a bad thing seems imo to miss what a lot of art is actually about (provocations)

flappy maybe some self-awareness about how much u love artists that are overgrown trolls is due

― american bradass (BradNelson)

yes professor

it's just so fucking hilarious how boring and obvious she is! literally and how you guys are like actually this is 7D provocateur chess

like i know you are on the internet all the time this is just like rolling fedora thread bullshit that should be nothing but clowned on

Pretty much.

I'm just gonna keep enjoying her music as long as she makes music I like. These weird interviews are fun I guess, but I don't really care.

otm to all. this is mostly just boring. idea about last supper photo was fine arts major embarrassing graduation show boring and bad. i'm happy she's found a theme that allows her to feel ok about making new music for the twitter wolves.

None of this affects my enjoyment of her music (or lack thereof) in the least. Whether she’s deliberately trolling or not I’m just amused by how obviousness is invariably the most successful approach when it comes to attracting attention.

absolutely, "clowned on" is the correct response. earnest anger, even annoyance, baffles me here, just as it did last week with Bret Easton Ellis. I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas - how that process plays out in public is what's interesting to me, not the ideas themselves necessarily. conflating "trolls" with provocateurs is such an art-negative point of view

a bit condescending to "the public" there, flappy

The only thing I know is that new Grimes music exists and maybe will be released, but probably not soon. It's just as likely it will all be scrapped based on reactions she may be absorbing from the internet by osmosis whether she is connected to it or not.

what do you mean xp

as a grimes fan i guess i support AI totalitarianism now too

we all knew you had it in you treesh

xxp you made it sound like you are an enlightened observer of these grand experiments performed by artists on an unwitting public. but it seems more likely that you, like me and everybody else ever, probably just enjoy some tabloid drama trash with your coffee.

"time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future" - Steve Miller, AI nihilist

the interview comes off like her expressing a certain amount of frustration obviously and as far as her AI take i mean suddenly everyone is acting like she's gone NXIVM culty with it and suggesting "actually just take the blue pill" vs just being an artist spouting off random ideas and being maybe a little tongue in cheek. i guess also i've comes to somewhat distrust the tone of interviews w/artists that are having a moment where people want to take them down a notch, sometimes the writing voice can make a conversation seem worse than it is especially w/someone like grimes who from interviews i've seen with her tends to just ramble on with whatever comes to mind and it can seem a little incoherent on occasion. some of the pieces on her seem to misread her in bad faith as sufjan said, plus i guess would find it hard to believe she is actually turning into an evil supervillain vs just discussing the idea in abstract, from an artistic POV.

haha do my comments come off as that pompous? it's not the case - I enjoy the spectacle and drama. the way it plays out in public & in the media, it's interesting to me. the only real feeling I have here is that reflexively dismissing any controversial or provocative artist as a "troll" or a "hater" is an inherently art-negative point of view.

also the notion that artists have to be virtuous, morally correct, smart - I don't agree. and I think about this

I guess I read "I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas - how that process plays out in public is what's interesting to me, not the ideas themselves necessarily." as something Chuck Klosterman said about The Real Housewives. I'm also just giving you a hard time.

couldn't she have embraced xenofeminism instead? I feel like we could use a xenofeminist pop star

also the notion that artists have to be virtuous, morally correct, smart - I don't agree. and I think about this

Do you guys actually think she—the person not the character—believes climate change is “good”? She said this:

“The way I figure it is that climate change sucks and no one wants to read about it because the only time you hear about it is when you’re getting guilted,” she explained. “I wanted to make climate change fun. Miss Anthropocene has got a Voldemort kind of vibe. She’s naked all the time and she’s made out of ivory and oil. It’s going to be super tight.”

She’s approaching these apocalyptic scenarios that loom on people’s minds from a different angle to see what the results are. Seems like a good idea to do that—the way we talk about everything has become really predictable and obviously it’s not working to get us to make the changes we need to

"I like artists that are willing to use themselves as battering rams to explore controversial and provocative ideas"

"I know there was this big controversy last week with this New Yorker piece about me, a New Yorker interview, which was kind of a prank. I got punked, I have to admit it. But one of the questions was, I said, 'I’m not political, why are we going here?” He said, “Well then you shouldn’t have written a political book.'"

...........

like... saying "kids today" is the least provocative thing you can say, even if you're saying it in the middle of a coke binge

tfw ur alienation has reached such a degree ur experiencing ur own destruction as an aesthetic pleasure of the first order

Lol people expressing sympathy for Bret Easton Ellis is making me feel extremely vindicated

he's always going to have apologists. always

What has he to do with grimes?

scroll back

the way we talk about everything has become really predictable and obviously it’s not working to get us to make the changes we need to

This

hope this album comes out soon then

omar little OTM (51 mins. ago)

treeship otm the only way to move this political conversation forward is to develop more hard-edged anime personas for ourselves