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Haha! i'm just having my first listen Echoes right now, i'm a sucker for the Gang Of Four/PIL thing, i like it when the singers voice does the crossing betwien Tom Velrain and John Lydon.

― rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:34 (twenty years ago) link

when I first heard "House of..." I was annoyed. Im totalling loving it now though. I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:38 (twenty years ago) link

I feel like I'm very late to the party, but this new ILK is pleasing me very much and I am hoping it is because it is the right direction for music to go in and not just because I have a developed a nostalgic fondness for the very early 80s music this resembles. Not nostalgia for being there, nostalgia for just not being there (I mean I was listening to music then but I was under 10 so it wasn't in the same way as being a teenager).

Anyway yeah - I saw the Ratpure at Optimo a few weeks ago and it was a blast, and I love the LCD soundsystem mix of Le Tigre that RJG put on a tape for me, and some of the Radio 4 I heard was good. It's all just so invigorating.

Does this ILK have name or not?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:50 (twenty years ago) link

do you mean ilk without capital letters?

It's being called "punk-funk" as far as I can see. I like the Le Tigre remix too. I think you're still early enough to the party in some sense N, if the Rapture are to get as big as I reckon they will.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:52 (twenty years ago) link

Punk-funk is fair enough. Yes - ILK=ilk. I just liked the look of it in caps.

What other tracks should I look out for?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

I like "Give It Up" by LCD Soundsystem quite alot.

I also am quite into the Playgroup album (called Playgroup) which is slightly older than the Rapture et al. I know some others here aren't into that but it's very cheap at this point and I think worth a purchase. It's a bit more funk in places than punk but it does have a pretty broad smattering of everything.

Best tracks which fit the "punkfunk" thing off that IMO: Overflow, Make It Happen. My favourite Rapture track is "I Need Your Love", also recommended is the DFA mix of Metro Area, I forget which track they've done but it's good, probably easy enough to download somewhere.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 11:40 (twenty years ago) link

Ronan: Download Sister Savior next. You'll love it.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

"Killing" is total jeep music

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

Agreed, Blount. That's what I said in my DFA thread a while ago...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

"open up your heart" is the stunner -- totally reminiscent of bowie's "five years".

― mosurock (mosurock), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

went to the show last night. super fun. they played all the hits and a bunch of new tracks. did a couple of all synth/ dance beat tracks. one was nearly a Cure cover. i wish the guitarist/ singer would stop doing that stupid, super high pitched falsetto like he does on "the pop song" from _out of the races_. it's 10 times more annoying live than on disc.

i never want to go to a show again. ever. why does "that one guy" always have to be standing next to me. you know the one that dances like he has epilepsy and falls all over everyone. and there were just way too many angled hair cuts and leg warmers.

― JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

if there's a guy dancing like a dipshit then you just have to show him up.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Jason, your audience description made it sound like you actually went BACK IN TIME to 1983!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

1. I love that the title of this thread is RATPURE.
2. DOes anyone have the tracklisting for Echoes?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

if there's a guy dancing like a dipshit then you just have to show him up.

i showed him an elbow in the back a few times. and his girlfriend showed her grinding backside to my frontside a few times too. i mostly didn't like it.

― JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

"mostly"

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

Did her backside get shown the cock a few times too?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

Chris V. here's the tracklist of the promo copy which is on soulseek

1-Olio
2-Heaven
3-Open up your heart
4-I need your love
5-The coming of spring
6-House of jealous lovers
7-Echoes
8-Killing
9-Sister saviour
10-Love is all
11-Infatuanition

Both great tunes, it was worth the wait.

― Sami (Sami), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

Got the Out Of The Races... EP today for a quid in Croydon. Please tell me they've got better since then (note: did like HOJL).

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

Yes.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Some of this is a bit Pixies, anyone agree?

Also I'm thinking the boldness of having a 4/4 house tune and such rocky stuff on one album is seriously deserving of praise.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yr so spot on about the variety on D-d-don't stop ronan.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

i like it more every time i listen to it. on headphones today was a revelation. "killing" is indeed total booming in yr jeep music. (could have done with a few more horn-stylee synth/sample horn stabs.) am really amazed they have reigned in that inevitable indie desire to freak out all over the shop enough to make an album which actually grooves for something like 80% of the time.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

not to mention, "Killing" shows some Nelly influence with a spacy feel. yessir i do like it.

― rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

like it more every time i listen to it.
I agree. i think its one of thoughs albums that the more you listen to it, the more you dig it. well at least fr me, it sounded OK on first listen but better on the second.

― rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

i can't believe how much i like this.

― dan (dan), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

This is amazingly good music.

― xnelio (xnelio), Thursday, 15 May 2003 08:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha sterling it doesn't count if both are fucking shit!

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

I like it more and more with each listen as well. I hear the Robert Smith in his voice. It makes me move my pelvis more and more with each listen as well. Like the red haired nerd from Revenge of the Nerds, Pointdexter.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:06 (twenty years ago) link

I never expected to like this album as much as I have. And I'll add Richard Hell and Marc Almond to the list of dudes we think the singer sounds like.

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

I'll second that. I was a little skeptical, but I got it last night (though I haven't listened all the way through yet) and it's WAY better than I thought it would be.

― slutsky (slutsky), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

2 cds still in the mail from amazon, but I fell in love with them live; I understand the beatboxy vers of Olio is the recorded one?

And wow is the guy's voice HIGH. I like it, it manages to be the goth-indie squeal to a Mayfield falsetto (that sounds like overpraise, but I think you get meh) It was pretty shocking, b/c I'd only heard HOJL and the 'rock' vers of Olio that was on gabba.net and those two are like the BOTTOM of his register!

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

Admittedly I'm taken aback by the level of praise. Love the patch in the middle but the remainder seems like "eh not bad"/avg. indie rock to me. I've probably listened to the whole thing about a dozen times now. I'm finding the guy's voice less and less tolerable.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

I hope to hear the album today and actually see the band perform tomorrow. And then I shall report.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

His voice makes the group! See, this is how you work the itinerant tuneless yelp correctly.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

In fact, the entirety of _Echoes_ is what The Beta Band SHOULD have sounded like.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

They did a stellar job sequencing the tracks. Assuming this is the track order of the real release.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:29 (twenty years ago) link

it's not that tuneless! One song (dunno which yet) did the whole leading-tone-in-a-minor-key trick and he (and the bass player, who also sings a fair amt) hit it every time. (but I get what you mean, Dan)

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

When's it out over here?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

(Yeah, I was talking more about vocal quality than the actual notes he's hitting.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

I had the "Races" EP, and liked half of the tracks, then went off them. Then I heard the "old" version of Olio and thought "meh". Then I heard the "new" version of Olio...can't wait for the album. The last song on the aforementioned EP ("Caravan"?) is also great.

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 15 May 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

Cheers for the Sister Saviour recommendation Yancey, it's excellent.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

Cool, Ronan. It's my fave on there by far.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah it's got that swirly club feel to it, I could almost imagine it being played out. I also look forward to seeing who'll do the remixes when they release more singles. I'd love to see Jacques or someone get a hold of Sister Saviour.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

sister saviour = "jeopardy" by the greg kihn band

― mosurock (mosurock), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

The new record's OK. I like the old "Olio" better tho.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

Some of this is a bit Pixies, anyone agree?

Yes, track 2. Some of it's a bit Minutemen, too.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

the best part is that i have a feeling their best record is still to come.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

That's so very true, jess. And I don't have that feeling very often. It's a good feeling.

― scott m (mcd), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

i keep wondering how much of this is murphy and goldworthy. it's pretty well-known that the rapture and dfa spent a lot of time on this record, and jim & tim spent a lot of time trying to convince the rapture to go in more of a dance direction. obviously their prodding worked. live they are still much closer to out of the races (which i loved then and i love now, h8rs step off!) than "hojl," so i think there might be two bands at work here -- the rapture (sorry, ratpure) studio act, which combines dance and rock convincingly, stressing each equally, and the rapture the live act, which doesn't stray too far from the gang of four template.

i would not be surprised, actually, if they never make another record. since they hooked up with dfa almost two years ago they've really been sheltered and coddled by jim & tim -- tons of studio time, lots of off days, etc. -- and once echoes drops (sometime in 2k7, at this rate) they'll be in a spotlight that they've managed to court yet avoid at the same time. i dunno if they'll be able to handle it. i hope they can, though. they're sweet guys and an amazing band...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

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