Is this anti-semitism?

like the President of the United States and Republican members of Congress post shit that signals anti-Semitic tropes on a daily basis, Dems are so fucking stupid for publicly calling her out and proving how right she really was

NEW: Among the "Jewish groups" Trump cited calling for Rep. Ilhan Omar's removal from the Foreign Affairs Committee is a hate group with neo-Nazi ties https://t.co/CbylLLxRIB

— Emily Kopp (@emilyakopp) March 6, 2019

the replies to this tweet are the first time I've noticed people explicitly replying for the sake of creating "the ratio," with most explicitly invoking it, thus completing that idea's inevitable evolution from amusing internet aside to cynical trolling tactic

oh it's been a thing for quite a while

Chaser: Our photo comparison showing how Fox & Friends altered an image of Steinberg they showed on-air about six weeks later. pic.twitter.com/E1y8sz8WoN

— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) March 11, 2019

ugh I hate the fact that I really do have a problem with omar's tweet (and am happy to see her statement, which indicates to me that she gets what people bristled at) and yet to talk about it in public fuels a bad-faith campaign against her by people who are only too happy to complain about the baleful influence of monied jews (sometimes referred to as "the media" or "the banks" or "globalists" or "george soros" rather than "AIPAC")

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:39 PM (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Three-weeks ago me exceedingly otm I'd say

This Chelsea Clinton thing is really confusing me.

Getting into that David Hirsh article Mordy linked to way upthread. Some very interesting stuff in there - Livingstone Formula etc.

I have a question. Can anyone give me a take on that article by Mearscheimer and Walt where they put forward the idea of ' the lobby'. I honestly don't know American politics well enough to gauge how accurate their position was/is or who they are etc, or whether (thread title).

He doesn't drink anymore but I'd buy him one.

https://loudwire.com/black-sabbath-geezer-butler-2015-arrest-punching-a-drunken-nazi-bloke/

What a bad ass.

(Not being sarcastic btw.)

This hasn't gotten much play bc it's not surprising to hear a member of the GOP-Nazi Party read Mein Kampf in order to compare treacherous Democrats to treacherous Jews. This is what they do because this is who they are: an imminent danger to all of us.https://t.co/jmKTQpQWfa

— Eli Valley (@elivalley) March 26, 2019

i don't think valley is in any way hyperbolic here btw.

wonder if Dems are gonna call on him to apologize the way they did Ilhan Omar

/crickets/

icymi

Schumer Compares Ilhan Omar To Trump As Top Democrats Echo GOP's Criticism At AIPAC https://t.co/lx5BsVK5Jl

— Richard Kim (@RichardKimNYC) March 27, 2019

"Trump referred to Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, as "your prime minister" while speaking at the Republican Jewish Coalition in Las Vegas, Nevada."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-netanyahu-your-prime-minister-republican-american-jews-2019-4

^Haha Ross Perot moment. "You people -- wait, shit..."

Late arrival here, just found this thread after reading the commentary on Corbyn's alleged anti-semitism in the AOC thread. Overall this kind of discussion is where ILE shines, imo. It's mostly moderate, nuanced and is not one-sided, ill-advised attempts at gatekeeping aside.

I'd say this recording is worth noting as a new low in US conservatives' efforts to exploit the antisemitism issue:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pompeo-pledges-not-to-wait-for-britains-elections-to-push-back-against-corbyn-and-anti-semitism/2019/06/07/dfeaa180-9c27-4495-9322-3d16b7d1541a_story.html?

I wrote about racists using anti-Semitism as a shield and how flimsy and shitty it is https://t.co/oiRjlk6J3p

— Talia Lavin (@chick_in_kiev) July 17, 2019

good piece

Jews are not trees, not animals, not mute props to use as cudgels in a war of escalating rhetoric. We do not need to be spoken for, we who have been here since before this country was a country, and want to remain, and know no other home; we are not waiting for your apocalypse.

Liz Cheney and Meghan McCain have volunteered, unasked-for, as blonde Christian Loraxes

Damn, that was good.

Something I have been wondering: has anyone done any analysis, or is there any way to analyze, whether antisemitic comments on site by youtube are being bot-posted or posted using some kind of script? I just see this pattern of what seem like large numbers of different accounts making very similar comments on a wide variety of videos.

A decent article in the Morning Star today, but it doesn’t seem to be online yet.

https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/trenton-councilman-defends-mcbride-says-jew-down-is-just-a-statement-of-speech/

At one point, Muschal asked the Globe reporter to repeat his name.

“Is that a Jewish name?” he asked.

Told it was, he responded, “OK. There you go,” and continued the conversation.

indeed, i go

this is obviously a tempest-in-a-teapot scenario

at the same time ofc these idiots are anti-semites

I wasn't really asking. I just know this as the most used anti-semitism thread.

“It wasn’t nothing maliciously done,” Muschal said. “It was about money. That’s why they said Jew them down.”

clearly not anti-Semitic because people say it all the time

someone used this talking to me the other day but immediately if lamely apologized after nothing more than a wordless look. shoulda tried to brazen it out i guess.

was prob a "oh whoops didn't realize this was that kind of room and not the other kind of room" apology tho, sigh.

the guy who sold me my first car when i was a teenager promised not to jew me down but he was a redneck from 1991

maga, i guess

This must be an American thing.

American expressions of antisemitism are derived from European - there’s nothing new under the sun - and although the exact phrase might not exist among anglophones this side of the Atlantic, the sentiment itself does. And might be a case of simple transference wrt to the phrase itself - people will say “to gyp” someone without knowing or caring the origin of the term.

Very good, but it's American thing to use this phrase is what I was saying.

I don't hear "Jew" used as a verb in the UK but especially decades back as a schoolkid it would be commonly used as an antisemitic noun

I think use of 'jew' as a verb is relatively recent. never heard it in the UK except in the high-nonsense 'jew-arsed' to refer to when someone makes a joint a bit wet on their toke, which I might guess was originally dew-arsed

I've thankfully never heard anyone use the phrase 'Jew down', whether in Canada or the UK, although 'gyp' is still quite common in the former as far as I can tell. It's not always used with malicious intent, however, as most people appear to be blissfully unaware of its (possible? likely?) etymology.

Incidentally, I've never encountered 'to welsh' in the wild either.

Welsh/welch fairly common in the US. See also: Jerry-built.

xp I’ve heard “gyp” and its derivatives a lot, admittedly more in Ireland than here. Remember being surprised hearing it on the Simpsons once.

How quickly we forget the big stink when Michael Jackson used the phrase "Jew me, sue me" in "They Don't Care About Us" back in 1995. (Whole line was "Jew me, sue me, everybody do me/ Kick me, kike me, don't you black or white me.") I've never heard "Jew" as a verb in the real world, as far as I know, but I know people use it.

Welsh/welch, I only hear in, like, gangster movies. "Welch on a deal" or whatever.

People my company has done business with have used Jew as a verb with us on phone calls + stuff.

people were a bit more angry about the "kike me" line with MJ iirc; he claimed he had no idea it was offensive

I dunno, the Jew me, sue me bit was hardly overlooked.

He got cancelled for ages because of that line.

At any rate, most gentiles I know use ‘Jewish’ rather than ‘Jew’ to avoid sounding in any way pejorative.

Jew as a noun is not inherently antisemitic imo

I know that, but if you grow up in a town that’s 40 per cent Red Sea Pedestrians, you don’t want to sound like the schmucks from the next town over who *do* use it as a pejorative.

"I'm a Jew" basically only non-pejorative. "He's a Jew" probably okay but mildly uncomfortable especially since "He's Jewish" is sitting right there. "He's got a Jew nose," definitely antisemitic. "Don't Jew me," also definitely antisemitic."